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Kim Klaft on a Global Gap Year and Living Without Regret
05/08/20 • 38 min
In this episode Debbie talks to a real adventurer, a 63-year-old woman who spent 2019 on a self-organized global gap year. Kim Klaft quit a well-paid position as a nonprofit executive to travel and volunteer in 25 countries. Over the course of one calendar year she worked in soup kitchens, food banks, homeless shelters, orphanages and in hurricane relief efforts (see her list below) as she moved around the globe. She did this on her own, as a single woman, with the goal of embedding herself into cultures and communities. And because it was something she had always wanted to do.
When she told her financial planner about her proposed year, she expected him to put the kibosh on it because she had not finished saving for retirement. Instead he said, "Go! Otherwise you will always regret not having done it."
They talk about how she chose one humanitarian project after another using Google and word-of-mouth. As Kim explains it, "I researched volunteer opportunities in three ways: 1. Google searches and reading reviews; 2. speaking with people in-country when I was fortunate enough to have a connection and/or to be introduced via e-mail; and 3. meeting people along the way who were volunteering for a particular agency. I asked questions about how volunteers were treated, whether the group was true to its cause, whether it was run in a financially responsible way, etc."
They also talk about writing and why Kim decided not to write about her year while she was living it, so as to stay in the moment.
Kim is now back in Detroit and feeling lucky to have found work as a consultant for several nonprofits. She describes herself on her LinkedIn profile (convincingly) as having a heart for the under-served, a head for business and the spirit of an entrepreneur. In today’s conversation, they dig into how she engineered the logistics of her gap year and how it unfolded organically. Despite - or perhaps because of - the disparate nature of her experiences in so many different places, the trip made her life feel “in sync,” as if the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle were falling into place.
As to how Debbie found Kim, Kim sent her an email out of the blue halfway through her year saying she had just stumbled onto this podcast. She was in Budapest at the time searching for her next thing. They stayed in touch and Debbie followed up in early 2020 to ask if she would come on the podcast to talk about her experience.
At first Kim declined. She wrote in an email:
"I haven't yet had the ideal opportunity to wrap my head around: 1) What was my purpose? 2) How did that compare to the reality? 3) I knew going into it that there would be a ripple effect but the ripples were bigger and more far reaching than I would have been able to imagine proactively 4) What unexpected humanitarian efforts arose and how can we recognize those in everyday life? 5) How have I changed (or, perhaps, what about my passions were confirmed by this experience)? 6) What's next?"
Of course, Kim's email touched on all the key questions, revealing that she had indeed thought a lot about her gap year.
They recorded this conversation several months ago, before the pandemic and social distancing. So at the end Debbie checks in with Kim again to find out how she’s doing now. Living without regret (her reason for taking her gap year) has an even bigger resonance today as she looks back at an extraordinary year of travel and service.
Mentioned in the episode
Kim's list of her favorite volunteer humanitarian efforts:
- Burgers by the Dozen: Self-directed distribution of warm hamburgers to the homeless in Budapest, Hungary; Sidney, Australia; Toronto, Canada
- Earthship Hurricane Relief Effort (Puerto Rico)
- Sisters of Mercy Orphanage and Malnutrition Clinic (Port Au Prince, Haiti)
- The Intrepid Foundation (Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia)
- The Lingap Center (Cebu Island, Philippines)
- Serve the City Polska (Krakow, Poland)
- The King’s Table Soup Kitchen (Brisbane, Australia)
- WanderWorld Foundation (Papua New Guinea)
- Willing Hearts Soup Kitchen (Singapore)
- Kechara Soup Kitchen (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)
- Food Bank: Hands On London
- ...
In this episode Debbie talks to a real adventurer, a 63-year-old woman who spent 2019 on a self-organized global gap year. Kim Klaft quit a well-paid position as a nonprofit executive to travel and volunteer in 25 countries. Over the course of one calendar year she worked in soup kitchens, food banks, homeless shelters, orphanages and in hurricane relief efforts (see her list below) as she moved around the globe. She did this on her own, as a single woman, with the goal of embedding herself into cultures and communities. And because it was something she had always wanted to do.
When she told her financial planner about her proposed year, she expected him to put the kibosh on it because she had not finished saving for retirement. Instead he said, "Go! Otherwise you will always regret not having done it."
They talk about how she chose one humanitarian project after another using Google and word-of-mouth. As Kim explains it, "I researched volunteer opportunities in three ways: 1. Google searches and reading reviews; 2. speaking with people in-country when I was fortunate enough to have a connection and/or to be introduced via e-mail; and 3. meeting people along the way who were volunteering for a particular agency. I asked questions about how volunteers were treated, whether the group was true to its cause, whether it was run in a financially responsible way, etc."
They also talk about writing and why Kim decided not to write about her year while she was living it, so as to stay in the moment.
Kim is now back in Detroit and feeling lucky to have found work as a consultant for several nonprofits. She describes herself on her LinkedIn profile (convincingly) as having a heart for the under-served, a head for business and the spirit of an entrepreneur. In today’s conversation, they dig into how she engineered the logistics of her gap year and how it unfolded organically. Despite - or perhaps because of - the disparate nature of her experiences in so many different places, the trip made her life feel “in sync,” as if the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle were falling into place.
As to how Debbie found Kim, Kim sent her an email out of the blue halfway through her year saying she had just stumbled onto this podcast. She was in Budapest at the time searching for her next thing. They stayed in touch and Debbie followed up in early 2020 to ask if she would come on the podcast to talk about her experience.
At first Kim declined. She wrote in an email:
"I haven't yet had the ideal opportunity to wrap my head around: 1) What was my purpose? 2) How did that compare to the reality? 3) I knew going into it that there would be a ripple effect but the ripples were bigger and more far reaching than I would have been able to imagine proactively 4) What unexpected humanitarian efforts arose and how can we recognize those in everyday life? 5) How have I changed (or, perhaps, what about my passions were confirmed by this experience)? 6) What's next?"
Of course, Kim's email touched on all the key questions, revealing that she had indeed thought a lot about her gap year.
They recorded this conversation several months ago, before the pandemic and social distancing. So at the end Debbie checks in with Kim again to find out how she’s doing now. Living without regret (her reason for taking her gap year) has an even bigger resonance today as she looks back at an extraordinary year of travel and service.
Mentioned in the episode
Kim's list of her favorite volunteer humanitarian efforts:
- Burgers by the Dozen: Self-directed distribution of warm hamburgers to the homeless in Budapest, Hungary; Sidney, Australia; Toronto, Canada
- Earthship Hurricane Relief Effort (Puerto Rico)
- Sisters of Mercy Orphanage and Malnutrition Clinic (Port Au Prince, Haiti)
- The Intrepid Foundation (Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia)
- The Lingap Center (Cebu Island, Philippines)
- Serve the City Polska (Krakow, Poland)
- The King’s Table Soup Kitchen (Brisbane, Australia)
- WanderWorld Foundation (Papua New Guinea)
- Willing Hearts Soup Kitchen (Singapore)
- Kechara Soup Kitchen (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)
- Food Bank: Hands On London
- ...
Previous Episode

Peter Corbett on Mortality, Dying, and a New Life of Service
Debbie talks with Peter Corbett, a retired CEO who moved to Brooklyn from DC, sold his tech company to J. Walter Thompson (part of WPP), and completely changed his life.
Peter was a young guy in his 20s when Debbie knew him back in DC's tech heyday. He was well known in DC’s tech community as the founder and CEO of iStrategy Labs as well as the convener of popular tech meetups. iStrategy Labs was one of the first digital marketing agencies, known for its creativity in bridging online and offline. The company won lots of awards and grew to have dozens of Fortune 500 clients. But after almost ten years of running the company Peter moved to New York to open an office there. Shortly after, he realized he’d had enough of the CEO life - it wasn’t who he really was. He sold the company for tens of millions of dollars and began living a completely different life.
Now, at age 39, he is a Zen hospice practitioner volunteering at a hospital in Brooklyn as well as continuing his training. He also mentors entrepreneurs. Together they talk about how he found this new path, how meditation plays a crucial role for him and why he thinks it’s so important to contemplate mortality. This is not a Coronavirus episode, per se. But the virus - and the pain it’s causing for so many people - is hovering in the background. They talk about a bunch of things, including white privilege and what that means to him.
It was a pleasure for Debbie to reconnect with an old friend.
What was talked about:
- What Peter does now: serving the sick and dying as a Zen hospice volunteer plus advising entrepreneurs
- Moving to NYC to find anonymity
- Realizing he wanted to change his life as he deepened his Zen practice
- His profound realizations around being white and the privilege that gave him
- What a spiritual caregiver does and why he chose that path
- Is the older generation more disposable?
- Coming to terms with your own mortality
- Why you should meditate
Mentioned in episode or useful:
- About Peter
- iStrategy Labs
- A Founder Moves On (Peter on why he sold his company)
- Peter's newsletter on Zen, Work and Life
- From CEO to Nobody by Peter Corbett (Medium, Dec. 7, 2020)
- New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care where Peter is studying
- Headspace
- Calm
- WeCroak (an app to find happiness by contemplating your death five times a day)
Support this podcast:
- Leave a review on iTunes: it means so much!
- Subscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify
Credits:
- Host: Debbie Weil
- Producer: Far Out Media
- Podcast website
- Music by Manuel Senfft
Connect with us:
- Email: [email protected]
- Twitter: @debbieweil
- Insta: @debbieweil
- Debbie and Sam's blog: Gap Year After Sixty
Next Episode

Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves
Debbie Weil brings her husband, Dr. Sam Harrington, back on the show for an update on their evolving state of mind about the continuing pandemic. Like everyone else, they are settling into social distancing for the long haul. This is their new normal, at least for now.
After two months of self-isolating in their little apartment in New Haven, CT they drove back to Stonington, ME, the remote coastal village where they live. Debbie knew they would feel much safer in Maine where the infection rate is exceptionally low. Sam is not so sure. The number of positive cases of COVID-19 in Maine is less than 2,000 and the number of deaths, statewide, is fewer than 100, with only one death in their county. Those numbers are as of mid-May 2020.
But are they really that much safer? Is there really a safe place anywhere?
What they talked about:
- How Sam is feeling: less fearful but still uncertain.
- Feeling emotionally safe does not mean we are safe from the virus.
- The 14-day quarantine for people coming to Maine from out-of-state (known as People From Away or PFAs) and its impact on tourism and the local economy.
- The tension between locals and PFAs.
- Will the new normal include immunity licenses or passports? The pros and cons and practicalities.
- What the proper use of masks and gloves is (and Sam's recent blog post on the topic)
- BONUS: Sam’s new protest beard... and why it is important
Mentioned in the episode or relevant links:
- Maine Gov. Janet Mills and COVID-19
- Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel
- Dr. Emanuel's JAMA paper on the ethics of COVID-19 licenses or immunity passports
- Article about the ethics of immunity passports (Washington Post)
- The benefit of a Maine lobster vs. the cost of a Maine life (about the debate over the 14-day quarantine)
- Sam's blog post: How Safe Will You Be? The Proper Use of Gloves and Masks
Support this podcast:
- Leave a review on iTunes: it means so much!
- Subscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify
Credits:
- Host: Debbie Weil
- Producer: Julie-Roxane Krikorian
- Podcast website
- Music by Manuel Senfft
Connect with us:
- Email: [email protected]
- Twitter: @debbieweil
- Insta: @debbieweil
- Debbie and Sam's blog: Gap Year After Sixty
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