
53: Investing Without Loans and Retiring Early with Jason Hull
01/16/14 • 99 min
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On today’s episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast we have an incredible chat with financial planner, real estate investor, and an all-around great guy – Jason Hull.
Jason has a great story of how his early mistakes led to his conservative but effective strategy of building wealth through rental property... all without the use of leverage, loans, or doing any labor. Jason has some terrific insight into the way our human behavior causes us to act and invest, – so don’t miss this entertaining and informative show that will have you looking at your real estate in a whole new light.
Read the transcript for episode 53 with Jason Hull here.
In This Show, We Cover:
- Getting over-extended with his first deals and facing the housing collapse
- The “Oh Crap” backup plan
- The only two ways to make money in real estate
- Separating your skills from what the market is doing
- Getting “lucky” in real estate
- Getting to “P.I.R.E.” = Passive Income, Retire Early
- Why Jason doesn’t use leverage (mortgages)
- How to find an awesome property manager
- Working with a Financial Planner
- Stocks vs. Real Estate... Where is the balance?
- Why you should open a Roth IRA with $100
Links from the Show
- Jason’s Post – How NOT to Invest in Real Estate... A Case Study
- BP Podcast 052: Buying Apartment Complexes, Raising Millions, and Building a Profitable Business with Ken McElroy
- Facebook Post about “How Would You Spend $100?”
- The Two Most Painful Words a Landlord May Ever Hear...
- BP Podcast 050: Getting Started and No Money Down House Flipping with Mike Simmons
Books Mentioned in the Show
- 123 Home Depot
- Entreleadership by Dave Ramsey
- The Goal by Eliyahu M. Goldratt
- The Four Hour Chef by Timothy Ferriss
Tweetable Topics
- Invest for the cash flow. The appreciation is just gravy. (Tweet This!)
- I want to be lazy when I retire! (Tweet This!)
- Having money problems with your spouse is a sign of bad communication. (Tweet This!)
Connect with Jason
- Jason’s Website: HullFinancialPlanning.com
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On today’s episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast we have an incredible chat with financial planner, real estate investor, and an all-around great guy – Jason Hull.
Jason has a great story of how his early mistakes led to his conservative but effective strategy of building wealth through rental property... all without the use of leverage, loans, or doing any labor. Jason has some terrific insight into the way our human behavior causes us to act and invest, – so don’t miss this entertaining and informative show that will have you looking at your real estate in a whole new light.
Read the transcript for episode 53 with Jason Hull here.
In This Show, We Cover:
- Getting over-extended with his first deals and facing the housing collapse
- The “Oh Crap” backup plan
- The only two ways to make money in real estate
- Separating your skills from what the market is doing
- Getting “lucky” in real estate
- Getting to “P.I.R.E.” = Passive Income, Retire Early
- Why Jason doesn’t use leverage (mortgages)
- How to find an awesome property manager
- Working with a Financial Planner
- Stocks vs. Real Estate... Where is the balance?
- Why you should open a Roth IRA with $100
Links from the Show
- Jason’s Post – How NOT to Invest in Real Estate... A Case Study
- BP Podcast 052: Buying Apartment Complexes, Raising Millions, and Building a Profitable Business with Ken McElroy
- Facebook Post about “How Would You Spend $100?”
- The Two Most Painful Words a Landlord May Ever Hear...
- BP Podcast 050: Getting Started and No Money Down House Flipping with Mike Simmons
Books Mentioned in the Show
- 123 Home Depot
- Entreleadership by Dave Ramsey
- The Goal by Eliyahu M. Goldratt
- The Four Hour Chef by Timothy Ferriss
Tweetable Topics
- Invest for the cash flow. The appreciation is just gravy. (Tweet This!)
- I want to be lazy when I retire! (Tweet This!)
- Having money problems with your spouse is a sign of bad communication. (Tweet This!)
Connect with Jason
- Jason’s Website: HullFinancialPlanning.com
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52: Buying Apartment Complexes, Raising Millions, and Building a Profitable Business with Ken McElroy
On today’s episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, we talk with one of the most influential voices in the real estate investing world today – Ken McElroy.
Ken, the author of The ABC’s of Real Estate Investing and several other influential books, shares his story of getting started with nothing and building up a real estate investment company with thousands of units and hundreds of employees. Ken has a lot of great advice and knowledge for people at all stages of their investing careers, and shares it in a fun, entertaining manner.
On today’s show we’re going to talk a lot about getting started, raising capital, and investing in large apartment complexes for big wins. Don’t miss a second of this exciting show!
Read the transcript for episode 52 with Ken McElroy here.
In This Show, We Cover:
- Getting started with no money – through property management
- Why should someone invest in multifamily properties?
- Using other people’s money to invest in real estate
- Investing at a distance vs. investing locally
- Determining the best locations and markets to invest in real estate
- Cash flow vs. appreciation: which is best?
- Ken’s newest $9 million dollar project
- Why Ken loves bad landlords
- How to find amazing apartment complex deals
- Raising millions of dollars in 20 minutes
- How to find a great property manager?
- Should someone start with Apartment Complex Investing?
- The worst mistake you can make as a real estate investing
Links from the Show
- What is a Cap Rate? (Capitalization Rate) (article about Cap Rates)
- BiggerPockets Presents: The 21 Best Real Estate Books Ever
Books Mentioned in the Show
- The Art of the Deal by Donald Trump
- The Best Real Estate Advice I Ever Received by Donald Trump
- Turning Pro by Steven Pressfield
- Tribal Leadership: Leveraging Natural Groups to Build a Thriving Organization by Dave Logan
- The Crash Course: The Unsustainable Future Of Our Economy, Energy, And Environment by Chris Martenson
- The ABC’s of Real Estate Investing by Ken McElroy
- The Advanced Guide to Real Estate Investing by Ken McElroy
Tweetable Topics
- The faster you fail, the smarter you get. (Tweet This!)
- “You don’t need to be an expert at everything.”(Tweet This!)
- There’s a lot more money out there than deals. (Tweet This!)
- The best deals are generated from face to face relationships. (Tweet This!)
- The entire goal of my company is to replace myself. (Tweet This!)
Connect with Ken
- Ken’s Website: KenMcElroy.com
- Ken’s BiggerPockets Profile
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54: Investing in Under $30k Real Estate, Working a Day Job, and Good Vs. Bad Neighborhoods with Lisa Phillips
How much money does it really take to buy a rental property?
$200,000? $100,000? $75,000?
On today’s show, we are going to chat with Lisa Phillips, a real estate investor who buys real estate in the under-$30,000 range and achieves some incredible cash flow from her mostly-passive investing. Lisa shares some amazing insights into how she went from a personal foreclosure to owning several rental properties – bypassing the banks and investing creatively. If you are someone who is looking to get started investing with real estate investing without spending hundreds of thousands of dollars – this is the show for you.
Read the transcript for episode 54 with Lisa Phillips here.
In This Show, We Cover:
- Investing in real estate while navigating the instability of day jobs
- How going through a foreclosure changed Lisa’s financial future... for the better
- Knowing when to call it quits
- Tips for negotiating with creditors
- What makes motivated sellers attracted to a certain real estate investor?
- Tips for defining a good vs bad neighborhood
- Finding a property manager who exceeds your expectations
- How much does a good property manager charge?
- Simple tips for attracting the best tenants to your rental properties
- The positives and negatives of low-price investing
- What crimes are acceptable?
Links from the Show
- Tenant Screening: The Ultimate Guide
- NARPM – National Association of Residential Property Managers
- CrimeReports.com
- SpotCrime.com
- Rentometer.com
Books Mentioned in the Show:
- Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki
- The 4 Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss
Tweetable Topics
- “Be clear & upfront with what you can do for other people. What’s in it for them?” (Click to Tweet!)
- “Landlords: never sacrifice your standards just to fill a vacant unit.” (Click to Tweet!)
- “When looking to invest in real estate, leverage the power of the internet.” (Click to Tweet)
Connect with Lisa
- Lisa’s BiggerPockets Profile
- Lisa’s BiggerPockets Video Blog
- Lisa’s website: www.AffordableRealEstateInvestments.com
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