Battlefield Next

On today’s podcast we have Brigadier General (Retired) Rich Gross, former Legal Counsel to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Brigadier General Gross has also served as the Staff Judge Advocate of U.S. Central Command, US Forces-Afghanistan, and Joint Special Operations Command. MAJ Wellemeyer and MAJ Wellemeyer interviewed Brigadier General Gross the evolution of national security law, the importance of judge advocate integration into the units they are advising, and advising commanders in an operational setting.
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode:
00:00 Introduction
00:50 The Evolution of National Security Law
03:58 Integration of judge advocates in the units they are advising
05:45 The growth of National Security Law practice during BG Gross’ service
08:36 The evolution of legal issues in National Security Law
11:19 Current concerns in National Security Law
14:11 Advising commanders in an operational setting
16:28 “Legal” and “Counsel”
18:40 Book recommendations
20:48 Closing
BG(RET) Gross’ Podcast Recommendations:
“The World Next Week”
“The President’s Inbox”
“The Economist”
BG(RET) Gross’ Book Recommendations:
“Creating Magic” by Lee Cockerell
“Team of Teams” by General Stanley McChrystal
“No Time for Spectators” by General Martin Dempsey
For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email at usarmy.pentagon.hqda-tjaglcs.list.tjaglcs-doctrine@mail.mil, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
*Music by Joseph McDade
**The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.

On today’s episode we have Brigadier General R. Patrick Huston, the Assistant Judge Advocate General for Military Law and Operations. BG Huston oversees international legal engagements, criminal prosecutions and government appeals for the Army. He also supervises the legal teams that provide advice on national security law, contract actions, administrative law and criminal law. He is focused on the legal and ethical development and use of artificial intelligence, autonomous weapons, cybersecurity and other emerging technologies. He also supports diversity and inclusion initiatives as part of talent management for the JAG Corps, one of the world's largest legal organizations.
Lieutenant Colonel Cinnamon Chielens and Major JJ Wellemeyer interviewed BG Huston via zoom to discuss three topics: Artificial Intelligence (AI), Deep Fake Technology, and lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic.
The episode is divided into three parts.
Part one covers Artificial Intelligence; its uses, common misconceptions, the importance of public/private partnerships, legal and ethical challenges, and advising commanders on the uses of AI.
Part two discusses Deep Fake technology, providing an overview, the risks involved, and protecting against deep fakes.
Part three discusses the lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic, and how the JAG Corps and Army moves forward with those lessons.
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 1 (AI):
00:00 Introduction
00:56 AI Overview
01:51 Misconceptions about AI and its uses
05:21 Public/Private partnerships in the development of AI
06:28 Legal and ethical considerations of AI
08:07 AI and great power competition
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 2 (Deep Fake Technology):
00:00 Introduction
00:10 Deep fake overview
00:41 Combatting “Truth Decay”
03:15 Deep fake threats and potential solutions
04:50 Critical thinking/analysis in combatting deep fake threats
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 3 (COVID-19):
00:00 Introduction
00:09 Lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic
01:04 Courts and remote technology
02:27 Effects on the workplace
05:21 COVID-19 and autonomous systems
05:28 Closing Remarks
06:25 Book recommendations
08:03 End notes
If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources:
Eric Schmidt: I Used to Run Google. Silicon Valley Could Lose to China.
BG Huston’s Book Recommendations:
“1776” by David McCullough
“Duffel Blog” edited by Randy Brown and Steve Leonard
For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email at usarmy.pentagon.hqda-tjaglcs.list.tjaglcs-doctrine@mail.mil, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
*Music by Joseph McDade
**The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.

On today’s episode we have Brigadier General R. Patrick Huston, the Assistant Judge Advocate General for Military Law and Operations. BG Huston oversees international legal engagements, criminal prosecutions and government appeals for the Army. He also supervises the legal teams that provide advice on national security law, contract actions, administrative law and criminal law. He is focused on the legal and ethical development and use of artificial intelligence, autonomous weapons, cybersecurity and other emerging technologies. He also supports diversity and inclusion initiatives as part of talent management for the JAG Corps, one of the world's largest legal organizations.
Lieutenant Colonel Cinnamon Chielens and Major JJ Wellemeyer interviewed BG Huston via zoom to discuss three topics: Artificial Intelligence (AI), Deep Fake Technology, and lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic.
The episode is divided into three parts.
Part one covers Artificial Intelligence; its uses, common misconceptions, the importance of public/private partnerships, legal and ethical challenges, and advising commanders on the uses of AI.
Part two discusses Deep Fake technology, providing an overview, the risks involved, and protecting against deep fakes.
Part three discusses the lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic, and how the JAG Corps and Army moves forward with those lessons.
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 1 (AI):
00:00 Introduction
00:56 AI Overview
01:51 Misconceptions about AI and its uses
05:21 Public/Private partnerships in the development of AI
06:28 Legal and ethical considerations of AI
08:07 AI and great power competition
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 2 (Deep Fake Technology):
00:00 Introduction
00:10 Deep fake overview
00:41 Combatting “Truth Decay”
03:15 Deep fake threats and potential solutions
04:50 Critical thinking/analysis in combatting deep fake threats
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 3 (COVID-19):
00:00 Introduction
00:09 Lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic
01:04 Courts and remote technology
02:27 Effects on the workplace
05:21 COVID-19 and autonomous systems
05:28 Closing Remarks
06:25 Book recommendations
08:03 End notes
If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources:
Eric Schmidt: I Used to Run Google. Silicon Valley Could Lose to China.
BG Huston’s Book Recommendations:
“1776” by David McCullough
“Duffel Blog” edited by Randy Brown and Steve Leonard
For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email at usarmy.pentagon.hqda-tjaglcs.list.tjaglcs-doctrine@mail.mil, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
*Music by Joseph McDade
**The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.

On today’s episode we have Brigadier General R. Patrick Huston, the Assistant Judge Advocate General for Military Law and Operations. BG Huston oversees international legal engagements, criminal prosecutions and government appeals for the Army. He also supervises the legal teams that provide advice on national security law, contract actions, administrative law and criminal law. He is focused on the legal and ethical development and use of artificial intelligence, autonomous weapons, cybersecurity and other emerging technologies. He also supports diversity and inclusion initiatives as part of talent management for the JAG Corps, one of the world's largest legal organizations.
Lieutenant Colonel Cinnamon Chielens and Major JJ Wellemeyer interviewed BG Huston via zoom to discuss three topics: Artificial Intelligence (AI), Deep Fake Technology, and lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic.
The episode is divided into three parts.
Part one covers Artificial Intelligence; its uses, common misconceptions, the importance of public/private partnerships, legal and ethical challenges, and advising commanders on the uses of AI.
Part two discusses Deep Fake technology, providing an overview, the risks involved, and protecting against deep fakes.
Part three discusses the lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic, and how the JAG Corps and Army moves forward with those lessons.
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 1 (AI):
00:00 Introduction
00:56 AI Overview
01:51 Misconceptions about AI and its uses
05:21 Public/Private partnerships in the development of AI
06:28 Legal and ethical considerations of AI
08:07 AI and great power competition
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 2 (Deep Fake Technology):
00:00 Introduction
00:10 Deep fake overview
00:41 Combatting “Truth Decay”
03:15 Deep fake threats and potential solutions
04:50 Critical thinking/analysis in combatting deep fake threats
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during Part 3 (COVID-19):
00:00 Introduction
00:09 Lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic
01:04 Courts and remote technology
02:27 Effects on the workplace
05:21 COVID-19 and autonomous systems
05:28 Closing Remarks
06:25 Book recommendations
08:03 End notes
If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources:
Eric Schmidt: I Used to Run Google. Silicon Valley Could Lose to China.
BG Huston’s Book Recommendations:
“1776” by David McCullough
“Duffel Blog” edited by Randy Brown and Steve Leonard
For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email at usarmy.pentagon.hqda-tjaglcs.list.tjaglcs-doctrine@mail.mil, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
*Music by Joseph McDade
**The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.

On today’s podcast we have BG Joseph B. Berger, the Commanding General of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the premier training, education, and analysis institution for military law. As the Commander, BG Berger is responsible for developing and executing our Army’s (and in many cases, the Joint Force’s) institutional level legal training of uniform and civilian attorneys, paralegals, and legal administrators. The Legal Center and School’s mandate is not just limited to members of the JAG Corps; it is also responsible for legal training across the Army, from what our Soldiers learn about the law of war during basic combat training to what our most senior commanders learn during their Senior and General Officer Legal Orientations, mandatory courses before they can assume command of our Nation’s sons and daughters.
In mid-May, MAJ Coffey and MAJ Wellemeyer interviewed BG Berger via Zoom to discuss a number of topics including decision-making by lawyers as leaders, lessons learned from his time with special operations units, the speed of decision-making under the OODA loop process, under-writing failure as a leader, and lessons from the COVID-19 pandemic.
Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode:
00:00 Introduction
01:05 Decision-making and lessons from SOF assignments
04:50 OODA loop, risk, and mistakes: how leaders under-write failure
06:45 Confusing “energy” with “progress”
07:49 OODA loop applied to the shift in distributed learning at TJAGLCS
13:44 How the OODA loop ties into mission command
16:10 Comfort with risk and how leaders can underwrite failure to build success
20:47 Lessons from the COVID-19 pandemic
23:07 How stress increases at lower echelons
25:06 Closing comments by BG Berger
27:05 Book recommendations
31:55 End notes
If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources:
Early Lessons from the U.S. Army’s Campaign to Conquer COVID-19 by Loren Thompson
Explanation of the OODA Loop
BG Berger’s Book Recommendations:
“Barking Up the Wrong Tree: The Surprising Science Behind Why Everything You Know About Success Is (Mostly) Wrong” by Eric Barker
“Why We Write: Craft Essays on Writing War” edited by Randy Brown and Steve Leonard
“Pale Rider: The Spanish Flue of 1918 and How it Changed the World” by Laura Spinney
For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email at usarmy.pentagon.hqda-tjaglcs.list.tjaglcs-doctrine@mail.mil, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
*Music by Joseph McDade
**The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.