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Kevin Lemp is the Founder of 4 Hands Brewing Company and 1220 Spirits

4handsbrewery.com

1220spirits.com

@4handsbrewingco

5:00 - Intro

6:15 - Forbes Articles

7:00 - “We’re no longer a brewery.”

10:15 - Working at Gallo Winery

11:45 - First craft beer experience

13:45 - There’s less loyalty to beer brand right now

14:30 - City Wide is 4 Hand’s most successful beer

17:15 - 8 Years ago, 1,400 breweries. Today there are over 8,000

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18:45 - College years

19:30 - Early career

23:00 - Learning by observing

24:00 - Making a business plan

25:00 - Putting in his notice

28:00 - STL Brewery “Class of 2011”

31:45 - Meeting Josh Rowan

33:15 - Bringing Nick Kanter on board

34:15 - Getting first draft line at Blueberry Hill

35:30 - Inch wide, mile deep approach

37:00 - Breaking into new markets

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42:00 - The Anheuser Busch influence

43:45 - Bitter Brew

46:30 - Important growth markers in 4 Hands success

52:00 - Ego free company

54:00 - Dealing with the Schlafly conflict

54:30 - Drama

56:00 - Women Who Whiskey charity

56:45 - Battle in the market, come together for philanthropy with UCBC

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58:30 - Ballast Point Story

1:02:15 - Anti-nepotism

1:04:00 - Be polite and work hard

1:06:30 - It’s good to struggle

1:09:00 - What 2020 will bring

1:11:00 - Chasing trends vs. Originality

1:13:00 - The seltzer boom

1:14:30 - What’s the next step?

1:17:30 - Scratch Brewing

1:18:00 - Narrow Gauge Brewery

1:19:30 - Excited for St. Louis

1:23:00 - Outro

Tom Hück is an American Print Warlord

http://evilprints.com

@evilprints

9:00 - Intro

12:30 - Can’t stand not working

14:00 - Prince’s death making work more urgent

17:00 - Getting into an online fight over John Singer Sargent

18:30 - Kelley Walker CAM controversy

Tom’s article/response

20:10 - Real life rules don’t apply to art

22:00 - The fucking banana duct-taped to the wall

24:40 - “I like athleticism in art.”

26:00 - On Banksy

28:15 - The art world sucks

30:00 - Great art is a marriage of concept & technique

32:30 - Traveling as a youth and seeing art

36:15 - Looking for porn and finding the Tower of London

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40:00 - Growing up in Potosi, Missouri

43:00 - Taking college art classes in high school

48:30 - Finding his style & content

52:00 - Making woodcut prints about his hometown

52:30 - Driving around and selling his work to a museum

53:30 - Story about receiving negative feedback at 12 years old

58:00 - Getting revenge 9 years later

1:03:15 - You can find something good in every shitty piece of art

1:06:15 - Build your life around the art, not the other way around

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1:07:30 - Landfall Press

1:11:45 - Teaching

1:12:30 - First commercial gig working on The Roots “Phrenology”

1:15:00 - Figuring out what to charge

1:18:00 - Speed & whiskey

1:23:00 - Influencing the printmaking world

1:26:00 - The Outlaw Printmakers

1:31:30 - Viewing art in person

1:33:30 - Art is hard to make

1:35:00 - Van Gogh’s suicide

1:40:00 - Catching Tom’s NYC Electric Baloneyland show in 2017

1:45:30 - Archive of work coming out

1:46:30 - Making more affordable work

1:52:00 - Grafik House

1:58:00 - Living in/near Potosi now

2:03:00 - Outro

Josh Boston is a designer living in Portland, Oregon USA. He likes turtles.

www.joshboston.com

@heyjoshboston

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0:00 - Intro

9:00 - Interview Start: What should the intro music be?

11:30 - Portland & The Simpsons

13:00 - How Josh & I met

15:00 - Growing up in the middle of Missouri

16:15 - Josh & Kevin’s Bromance

19:30 - First memorable piece of design

23:15 - First experiences with the internet

24:30 - Rudimental Drumming

25:15 - Ol’ Town Road Story & Hip Hop’s Influence

29:15 - Learning basic web design

31:45 - Old online design portals

33:30 - Seth Ericson

35:00 - Being young & dumb

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36:40 - Meeting Michael Cina

41:00 - Moving to California

42:45 - Gary Benzel/Green Lady

44:30 - Getting better at design

48:00 - Wanting to switch careers

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51:15 - “It’s not easy to be creative for a living. There’s peaks and valleys and there’s times when you’re kinda numb or you maybe had a good year then a bad year. I’m not trying to say this in a negative way, but it’s not discussed as much publicly. I think it’s discussed a lot in one-on-one coffee meetings, but you’re not seeing it from the stage in design conferences.” 51:48

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52:00 - Working at Lambesis

54:00 - The luster of working on big brands

57:00 - Alex Bogusky

1:00:00 - Working then and now

1:01:00 - Seasons of being a creative professional

1:03:15 - Big agency work-life / Missouri / Back to California

1:09:00 - Basic Agency

1:11:00 - Ego & work

1:16:00 - Original content

1:21:00 - Working at CPB

1:23:00 - Working at W+K

1:25:00 - Working on a 6 month project that never got made

1:29:00 - Creating separation from your hired work

1:34:00 - Working within restraints

1:36:30 - Going independent

1:40:30 - Loving being laid off

1:44:00 - Throwing a recess party in a loft

1:47:00 - Freelancing means you need to be good with your money

1:49:00 - Starting up an agency

1:54:00 - Doing work that solely pays the bills

1:56:00 - Rules for social media

2:00:00 - Know where your money is going

2:02:00 - Jocko Wilink

2:03:30 - Throwing your back out

2:07:00 - Taking youth for granted

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2:08:45 - Freelancing

2:11:30 - Success without social media

2:15:00 - Brain Pickings / Maria Popova

2:16:30 - Mike Cina Great Discontent Interview

2:21:00 - Designers who merge their personal life with their work

2:24:00 - Cultivating taste

2:28:00 - Studios with only one style

2:29:30 - Be careful when criticizing younger creators

2:37:30 - Designer Radar: Braulio Amada, Brian Collins, Tobias Van Schneider, Mike Cina

2:44:00 - Compare/Contrast with Michael Eastman podcast

2:45:30 - The benefits of knowing design

2:46:00 - Outro

Michael Eastman is an artist working with a camera.

eastmanimages.com

@michaeleastmanphotography

4:00 - Dude

5:00 - Big Lebowski/Jeff Bridges/Weed

8:50 - St. Louis slow to change visually

11:10 - Rate of Urban Renewal in STL

14:45 - Beginnings as a photographer

15:05 - “A lot of times when I went out and photographed my mantra was, ‘If I were aware of what people 150 years from right now were interested in, then I would photograph those things. They’d be significant records; historical records. And a photographer, unlike many artists, is really part historian. What they’re doing is recording a reality in time, that changes. So that was meaningful for me to see these changes and to record them. To do a portrait of a place.” - Eastman

17:30 - Why did Eastman get into photography in the first place?

19:10 - College years/Entering the workforce

23:10 - The attraction of photography

24:00 - The Daybooks of Edward Weston

24:30 - First Photographs as a “Photographer”

26:45 - Emotion in photography

27:03 - “What you feel about a photograph is transmitted, translated, communicated into print.” - Eastman

28:45 - Photograph things that you have feelings about

29:25 - Ansel Adams & Others

31:40 - First photo jobs

38:39 - “When I started, there was all these voices in my head. There were critics, gallery owners, museum curators, my parents, their friends – there was a Shakespearean chorus of naysayers telling me I couldn’t, shouldn’t, wouldn’t do it. Those voices propelled me.” - Eastman

40:25 - Relating Michael’s Story to the concept of Anti-

42:00 - Eastman’s First Show at Washington University

44:40 - Maintaining an attitude of incompleteness

49:00 - Sitting on your work for awhile

50:00 - Knowing William Gass

54:30 - Shooting Forest Park & showing them to Gass in his last years

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58:15 - Reinvesting back into yourself

1:00:00 - Commercial vs. Fine Art Work

1:00:15 - Shooting Nudes as Landscape

1:06:00 - Finding success in fine art later in life

1:09:00 - Success is the most difficult thing for an artist to overcome

1:11:05 - Vivian Maier

1:12:50 - Lee Friedlander

1:13:50 - Gaining a national reputation with commercial work

1:20:00 - Low overhead = more freedom

1:21:00 - Learning about studio lighting

1:22:00 - Shooting on location

1:26:00 - 9/11 & No Work

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1:29:00 - Overview of Eastman’s fine art work

1:33:00 - The importance of printmaking

1:40:00 - What Eastman’s working on now

1:46:00 - When photography became recognized in the art world

1:49:00 - Agoraphobia

1:52:00 - Childhood fears

1:54:28 - A Ghost Story

1:57:30 - Composition/Framing

2:04:30 - Originality

2:06:00 - Cuba

2:07:00 - Buena Vista Social Club

2:08:00 - Traveling to Cuba

2:11:00 - Isabella's Two Chairs

2:14:00 - Havana

2:17:00 - Book sales lead to gallery openings

2:19:00 - Traveling photo show

2:21:20 - The Price of Everything

2:23:30 - NOLA and Current Photo work

2:25:00 - Forest Park Retrospective

2:30:00 - Leaving instagram

2:32:30 - Waking up with something to do

2:33:30 - Feeling mortal

Mike Spakowski is Partner and Creative Director at Atomicdust – A Branding and Marketing Agency.

www.atomicdust.com

@mspako

Notes:

9:30 - Introduction

10:30 - Why I’m Doing This/Happy Birthday Mom

13:00 - Strange Brew & Ric Moranis

14:30 - Fatherhood: Could Mike be a stay-at-home Dad?

16:10 - How we met

17:30 - Competing and comparison in art & design

18:14 - "Comparison is a death spiral once you start comparing yourself to other people. Yet you have to acknowledge how good and bad your work is."

20:30 - Lifespan of Work / Porano Case Study

22:30 - Revisiting work from other eras vs. staying in touch

23:26 Life & Design is one of those things where we’re constantly solving the same problem over and over and over.

25:54 - Karlsson Wilker - Tell Me Why

27:40 - 90% of the work that you do ends up in the trash heap, art has a longer lifespan

28:38 - Expression is Hard

29:26 - "Art for me is trying to figure out a way to take my life philosophy and tie that in to things that I’m proficient at."

30:25 - How you constrain yourself is the key to making art

32:10 - "When I was young, I had all the ideas but no way to execute them. When I got older, I had methods to execute them, but forgot how to have the ideas. And now, I have the ideas, I have the methods it’s a matter of trying to find fucking time to get them done."

34:10 - Artistic process and outlining a concept

36:50 - This isn’t an art and design podcast

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37:25 - Mike’s Story

38:08 - Never knew what he wanted to do

39:20 - Community college and needing an art credit

40:08 - Seeing his and other students work in the hallway

42:15 - Parody and irreverence were alluring

43:25 - Buying a PC, playing games and designing loading rooms

46:25 - The beginning of Atomicdust

47:10 - Learning to code

49:55 - It’s impressive to make a successful company

51:25 - Important to sit back and reflect

54:15 - "It’s hard to make a living doing creative work, it’s more deeply personal."

1:01:25 - Is college necessary?

1:03:30 - The internet is the great equalizer

1:04:20 - RZA: "Whether I went to school or not, I’d always study."

1:05:25 - Encyclopedias to Internet

1:06:15 - "Learning no longer has a barrier to entrance, it’s a barrier of interest, time and stamina."

1:09:10 - The unexamined life

1:11:11 - Whatever you do, make sure you enjoy it

1:12:38 - Contemporary business and pressure

1:14:55 - Vlogging & routine

1:17:25 - Casey Neistat’s older video work

1:19:04 - Appeasing larger audiences

1:20:15 - Finding things early on and feeling “ownership”

1:21:50 - Malcolm Gladwell - Tipping Point

1:22:25 - Anderson Paak & Kid Cudi

1:25:25 - Hold yourself up to a higher level and push forward

1:28:20 - Does the work suffer after appealing to a larger audience

1:29:05 - New work by an artist should almost confuse their fans

1:31:05 - You can’t worry about the audience

1:31:45 - Steven Pressfield - The War of Art

1:33:48 - Taking in content vs. producing

1:36:00 - Doing Something in the "FuturePast"

1:38:15 - Keep it interesting

1:39:25 - Tattoo Story & Tattoos in general

1:46:25 - Mike’s Hair, Cheap Beer

1:57:00 - Outro