
#42 - How To Get (& Grind) The Best Flour For Bread
10/10/22 • 68 min
"Find a supplier of as locally sourced grains as possible...find a mill; a coop and support them!"
If you're a bread-maker, this episode's for you.
We welcome back the fabulous Elly from Elly's Everyday to the podcast to talk about the heart of bread, its raw material: grains and flour.
During this episode you'll hear Elly's wisdom on:
- Sourcing grains and flour for bread
- Grinding grains into flour at home, including why you would want to do it and how Elly grinds hers
- The vital difference between the two ways flours are produced: stone-grinding and roller milling
- Why and how Elly freezes her grains and what you must remember when defrosting
- How to get the best possible flour even when you can't afford a home-mill
- And Elly talks us through her whole grain process - from choosing and buying through to mixing the dough.
Elly has two hugely popular YouTube channels and has helped thousands of people with making wholegrain sourdough, we're so grateful to her for bringing us her wisdom!
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Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics
Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course
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The Run Down:
6:20 Where Elly sources her grains
11.20 Why Elly grinds grains at home for sourdough and what the benefits are
"When you freshly grind, you really can tell the difference!"
17.40 Elly's home stone mill and how it works
19.50 The differences between Alison's and Elly's mills
21.50 The difference between roller-milled and stone-ground flour
27.30 The grains (and legumes) Elly uses
33.40 Elly's whole process, start to finish
"I freezer-treat all my grains"
38.00 Alison's weevil attack and how someone with a small freezer could freeze grains.
45.45 Freezing flour (listen here to hear *the* way to defrost too)
49.30 How long to do grains last and how does that differ from flour
53.10 Using freshly-milled flour for a sourdough starter
57.00 How to get the best possible flour when you're on a budget
55.30 What Elly's up to now on her YouTube channel
"It's the detail that overwhelms people...I explain the things that matter; that really make a difference and the gloss over the rest."
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"Find a supplier of as locally sourced grains as possible...find a mill; a coop and support them!"
If you're a bread-maker, this episode's for you.
We welcome back the fabulous Elly from Elly's Everyday to the podcast to talk about the heart of bread, its raw material: grains and flour.
During this episode you'll hear Elly's wisdom on:
- Sourcing grains and flour for bread
- Grinding grains into flour at home, including why you would want to do it and how Elly grinds hers
- The vital difference between the two ways flours are produced: stone-grinding and roller milling
- Why and how Elly freezes her grains and what you must remember when defrosting
- How to get the best possible flour even when you can't afford a home-mill
- And Elly talks us through her whole grain process - from choosing and buying through to mixing the dough.
Elly has two hugely popular YouTube channels and has helped thousands of people with making wholegrain sourdough, we're so grateful to her for bringing us her wisdom!
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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.
For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!
Get our two podcast cookbooks:
Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics
Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course
Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.
Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.
Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.
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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!
Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.
To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!
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The Run Down:
6:20 Where Elly sources her grains
11.20 Why Elly grinds grains at home for sourdough and what the benefits are
"When you freshly grind, you really can tell the difference!"
17.40 Elly's home stone mill and how it works
19.50 The differences between Alison's and Elly's mills
21.50 The difference between roller-milled and stone-ground flour
27.30 The grains (and legumes) Elly uses
33.40 Elly's whole process, start to finish
"I freezer-treat all my grains"
38.00 Alison's weevil attack and how someone with a small freezer could freeze grains.
45.45 Freezing flour (listen here to hear *the* way to defrost too)
49.30 How long to do grains last and how does that differ from flour
53.10 Using freshly-milled flour for a sourdough starter
57.00 How to get the best possible flour when you're on a budget
55.30 What Elly's up to now on her YouTube channel
"It's the detail that overwhelms people...I explain the things that matter; that really make a difference and the gloss over the rest."
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5* reviews on Apple Podcasts, mean the world to us!
Here's how you can leave one:
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#41 - Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering the Basics
Why am I so obsessed with rye? It's because I love it... Rye is just so special. - Alison
Where to begin with sourdough rye bread? This is a topic that both Alison and Andrea have received so many questions about. Alison is a rye sourdough bread expert - she has made hundreds of loaves over the span of years, and she has honed-in on a lot of the specific nuances and details of working with this amazing, delicious whole grain. In this episode, Alison breaks down some of her favorite reasons for using rye bread, and discusses her newly launched course - Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering the Basics.
With this course, I wanted to explain everything about rye sourdough starter; explain why rye is so wonderful, explain how rye works, how it's different from wheat. I wanted to walk people through two recipes that will enable them to understand rye, make it in their own kitchens, and, at the end of the course, be ready to start making the two loaves covered in the course or carry on experimenting with it. - Alison
Alison's course is a work of love and dedication and the produce of many years of rye failures, retries, and eventually successes! You can download her course at www.ancestralkitchen.com/rye, and podcast listeners can use the code PODCAST15 to get 15% off!
Rye has a different type of gluten than wheat. A lot of people who have ... sensitivities to gluten, may be able to eat rye. - Alison
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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.
For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!
Get our two podcast cookbooks:
Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics
Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course
Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.
Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.
Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.
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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!
Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.
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Bread is a fundamental - it's a staple... It's so portable, practical, flexible, calorie-dense. It provides a simple meal in such a glorious way. - Alison
The Run Down:
08:00 Rye Sourdough Bread
10:00 Benefit 1: Gluten Content
16:10 Benefit 2: Taste
17:40 Borodinsky Bread
20:57 Ageing Breads
24:41 Whole Grain/Wholemeal Rye Flour
Huh. What do I know? I don't know how to eat soft eggs and I don't know what pumpernickel flour is. - Andrea
29:47 A tease - upcoming episode with Elly of Elly's Everyday Sourdough! You all asked for this topic!
30:30 Benefit 3: All About the Starter - and listen for the versatile ways Alison uses it!
36:10 Discard Uses
36:30 Alis...
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#43 Fertility - It's More Than Just Pregnancy!
I was diagnosed with PCOS when I was about fourteen... My periods were heavy and irregular... The doctor put me on the Pill at fourteen... I was about 27 when I stopped taking the Pill. - Alison
Fertility is an indication of peak health - a healthy human should be fertile for as long as possible. This indicates optimal endocrine, metabolic and nervous system functioning, as well as adequate-to-optimal nourishment. In our modern-day thinking, we have reduced fertility to simply something you look at when you want to get pregnant, and we casually ignore warning signs from our body when our fertility, metabolic and endocrine systems are crashing.
In this episode, we recount Alison's incredible fertility journey, what the doctors told her about her hopes of ever conceiving naturally, and what she found as a solution.
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Get more news from Alison & Andrea by signing up to their newsletter at the top of the page here.
For more tips, inspiration and recipes plus a free 30-page guide to Baking with Ancient Grains sign up for Alison's newsletter here!
Get our two podcast cookbooks:
Alison's course, Rye Sourdough Bread: Mastering The Basics
Alison's Sowans oat fermentation course
Get 10% off US/Canada Bokashi supplies: click here and use code AKP.
Get 10% off UK Bokashi supplies.
Visit our (non-Amazon!) bookshop for a vast selection of ancestral cookbooks: US link here and UK link here.
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Our podcast is supported by a community of ancestral cooks around the world!
Come join our community! You can choose to simply sponsor the podcast, or select from a variety of levels with benefits including monthly live Zoom calls, a private podcast feed stuffed with bonus content from Alison and Andrea, and a Discord discussion group.
To read more about becoming a supporter and explore the various levels, click here!
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The Run Down:
21:19 Fertility - it isn't just relevant if you want to get pregnant!
25:00 Alison's Fertility Story
37:03 How long did it take to restore her cycle?
41:05 Gradual change
41:08 Traditional fertility foods
52:44 How do we incorporate these foods into our kitchen?
01:02:08 Other factors that affect fertility
01:09:08 Questions for the podcast
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