
Shami Chakrabarti on Protest
07/18/22 • 41 min
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When did you last take part in a protest? Perhaps you signed a petition; joined a debate on social media; wrote to your MP or read an impassioned poem. In this episode Lemn is joined by Shami Chakrabarti to examine how campaigners have used language to further their aims throughout the centuries. Together, they listen to inspiring voices from the British Library Sound Archive, from leaders such as Nelson Mandela to campaigners fighting for LGBTQ rights, punk musicians and suffragettes such as Christabel Pankhurst.
Described in The Times as "probably the most effective public affairs lobbyist of the past 20 years," Shami Chakrabarti is a barrister and human rights activist, as well as Member of the House of Lords and former Director of advocacy organisation Liberty.
Recordings in the episode in order of appearance:
Christabel Pankhurst speaking after her release from Holloway Prison on 18th December 1908.
British Library shelfmark: 1CL0025836
An extract from Nelson Mandela’s speech made in April 1964 at The Rivonia Trial. Restored and transferred by the British Library from the dictabelt originals loaned by The National Archives of South Africa and © The National Archives of South Africa.
British Library shelfmark: C985
An oral history interview recorded with Mr Kemp from Nottingham, in November 1982. Part of the Nottinghamshire Oral History Collection: Making Ends Meet Project.
British Library shelfmark: UUOL066/14
Member of the Gay Liberation Front, Luchia Fitzgerald, speaks to Dr. Sarah Feinstein in 2016 as part of Manchester Pride’s OUT! oral history project. Thanks to Archives+ in Manchester for this extract. © Luchia Fitzgerald and Archives+.
British Library shelfmark: UAP007
The Hooters perform ‘We shall Overcome’ at the Hooters' club in Birkenhead in 1965. The recording was found at Archives+, Manchester, it’s part of the Stan Mason folk music archive and was digitised as part of the Unlocking our Sound Heritage (UOSH) project.
British Library shelfmark: UAP004/5 S2 C1
Barack Obama speaking to his supporters in January 2008, after losing New Hampshire's Democratic primary to Hilary Clinton. Popularly known as the ‘Yes we can’ speech. © Barack Obama.
British Library shelfmark: 1SS0009809
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie’s 2018 PEN Pinter Prize acceptance speech. The recording was made at the British Library. With thanks to The Wylie Agency (UK) Limited.
British Library shelfmark: C927/1981
Labour MP Jess Phillips's address to the House of Commons in January 2019. Parliamentary information licensed under the Open Parliament Licence v3.0.
Alice Walker reads her poem ‘First they said’. The recording was made at the Africa Centre in May 1985 and it is part of the African Centre Collection, digitised by the Unlocking Our Sound Heritage project.
British Library shelfmark: C48/56
Adrienne Rich reads her poem ‘Power’ at Conway Hall in June 1984 as part of the 1st International Feminist Book Fair collection. The recording was digitised by the Unlocking Our Sound Heritage project.
British Library shelfmark: C154/2
Benjamin Zephaniah performing his poem ‘This policeman keeps on kicking me’ at the Poetry Olympics festival, 1982. Recorded by the British Library at the Young Vic Theatre.
British Library shelfmark: C92/2 C43
‘Black and White for Apartheid’ performed by Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger in December 1964. It is part of the African Writers Club collection of radio programmes recorded in the 1960s in London.
British Library shelfmark: C134/375
Extracts from the British Library event called ‘Banned Books Week: Poetry in Protest’ in September 2021. Myanmarese-British poet Ko Ko Thett and Dr Choman Hardi, poet and scholar, speak to columnist Kate Maltby.
An extract from ‘Oh Bondage Up Yours’, the 1977 debut single by X-Ray Spex. © BMG, X-Ray Spex/Poly Styrene, Westminster Music Ltd/TRO Essex Group.
British Library shelfmark: 1CD0198888
When did you last take part in a protest? Perhaps you signed a petition; joined a debate on social media; wrote to your MP or read an impassioned poem. In this episode Lemn is joined by Shami Chakrabarti to examine how campaigners have used language to further their aims throughout the centuries. Together, they listen to inspiring voices from the British Library Sound Archive, from leaders such as Nelson Mandela to campaigners fighting for LGBTQ rights, punk musicians and suffragettes such as Christabel Pankhurst.
Described in The Times as "probably the most effective public affairs lobbyist of the past 20 years," Shami Chakrabarti is a barrister and human rights activist, as well as Member of the House of Lords and former Director of advocacy organisation Liberty.
Recordings in the episode in order of appearance:
Christabel Pankhurst speaking after her release from Holloway Prison on 18th December 1908.
British Library shelfmark: 1CL0025836
An extract from Nelson Mandela’s speech made in April 1964 at The Rivonia Trial. Restored and transferred by the British Library from the dictabelt originals loaned by The National Archives of South Africa and © The National Archives of South Africa.
British Library shelfmark: C985
An oral history interview recorded with Mr Kemp from Nottingham, in November 1982. Part of the Nottinghamshire Oral History Collection: Making Ends Meet Project.
British Library shelfmark: UUOL066/14
Member of the Gay Liberation Front, Luchia Fitzgerald, speaks to Dr. Sarah Feinstein in 2016 as part of Manchester Pride’s OUT! oral history project. Thanks to Archives+ in Manchester for this extract. © Luchia Fitzgerald and Archives+.
British Library shelfmark: UAP007
The Hooters perform ‘We shall Overcome’ at the Hooters' club in Birkenhead in 1965. The recording was found at Archives+, Manchester, it’s part of the Stan Mason folk music archive and was digitised as part of the Unlocking our Sound Heritage (UOSH) project.
British Library shelfmark: UAP004/5 S2 C1
Barack Obama speaking to his supporters in January 2008, after losing New Hampshire's Democratic primary to Hilary Clinton. Popularly known as the ‘Yes we can’ speech. © Barack Obama.
British Library shelfmark: 1SS0009809
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie’s 2018 PEN Pinter Prize acceptance speech. The recording was made at the British Library. With thanks to The Wylie Agency (UK) Limited.
British Library shelfmark: C927/1981
Labour MP Jess Phillips's address to the House of Commons in January 2019. Parliamentary information licensed under the Open Parliament Licence v3.0.
Alice Walker reads her poem ‘First they said’. The recording was made at the Africa Centre in May 1985 and it is part of the African Centre Collection, digitised by the Unlocking Our Sound Heritage project.
British Library shelfmark: C48/56
Adrienne Rich reads her poem ‘Power’ at Conway Hall in June 1984 as part of the 1st International Feminist Book Fair collection. The recording was digitised by the Unlocking Our Sound Heritage project.
British Library shelfmark: C154/2
Benjamin Zephaniah performing his poem ‘This policeman keeps on kicking me’ at the Poetry Olympics festival, 1982. Recorded by the British Library at the Young Vic Theatre.
British Library shelfmark: C92/2 C43
‘Black and White for Apartheid’ performed by Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger in December 1964. It is part of the African Writers Club collection of radio programmes recorded in the 1960s in London.
British Library shelfmark: C134/375
Extracts from the British Library event called ‘Banned Books Week: Poetry in Protest’ in September 2021. Myanmarese-British poet Ko Ko Thett and Dr Choman Hardi, poet and scholar, speak to columnist Kate Maltby.
An extract from ‘Oh Bondage Up Yours’, the 1977 debut single by X-Ray Spex. © BMG, X-Ray Spex/Poly Styrene, Westminster Music Ltd/TRO Essex Group.
British Library shelfmark: 1CD0198888
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Monica Ali on Love
From stories about star-crossed lovers to heartfelt poetry, we’re enamoured with love itself. But how do we capture what love feels like in language? Novelist Monica Ali joins Lemn to explore affairs of the heart through the British Library Sound Archive.
Monica Ali is a bestselling writer and Booker Prize nominee whose work has been translated into 26 languages. She’s written five books: Brick Lane, Alentejo Blue, In the Kitchen, Untold Story and her most recent is called Love Marriage.
Recordings in the episode in order of appearance:
‘I’m in love’ by The Subways, demo submitted to the Glastonbury Festival Unsigned Performers competition in 2004. Donated to the British Library Sound Archive and digitised by the Unlocking Our Sound Heritage project.
British Library shelfmark: C1238/2540
‘Love is Strange’ performed by the The Bob Cort Skiffle Group, 1957.
British Library shelfmark: 1CS0042286
‘Al buren matau ae aki tara bai’ or ‘The Fault of my Eyes,’ a Pacific Island love song. The recording was made in South Tarawa, the capital of the Pacific island Republic of Kiribati, in August 1985 by Daisy Maerere and Simon Seligmann. The performers are Tokana (voice) Teawate (ukulele / voice) Ioatene (guitar / voice) Tio (chorus) Raiwan (chorus) and Tekaie (chorus).
British Library shelfmark: C205/1
Gabriel Aragón plays his own composition on a large harp with sound holes; the piece is described by the performer as an 'alegre fox', and as belonging to the music of the Inca area. The recording was made in October 1980 in Cusco, Peru, by Peter Cloudsley Collection and was digitised as part of the Unlocking our Sound Heritage Project.
British Library shelfmark: C9/17/ C1
Poet Choman Hardi reads her poem ‘Summer Roof’ in the British Library recording studio, made in September 2009 for the project ‘Between Two Worlds: Poetry and Translation.’
British Library shelfmark: C1340/30
Mr and Mrs Smethhurst recall the ‘monkey parade’ of how teenagers used to meet and socialise in Salford. The interview was recorded in August 1977 and it was part of the Manchester Studies Oral History Project, digitised as part of the Unlocking our Sound Heritage Project.
British Library shelfmark: UAP008/218 S1-S2
Diana Martin remembers her visits to the cinema in Great Yarmouth in the late 1950s, the interview was made in 2007. It was found in the Norfolk Record Office and digitised as part of the Unlocking our Sound Heritage Project.
British Library shelfmark: UNRO005/204
Actor Sir John Gielgud plays Romeo in Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet in August 1955. The extract is from Act 5 Scene 3.
British Library shelfmark: 1CL0005072
Ex-husband and ex-wife Andy and Jo reflect on the breakdown of their marriage. The recording was made as part of the Listening Project for the BBC in August 2016 © BBC.
British Library shelfmark: C1500/1002
A piece called ‘Gendhing 'Rondhon sari' minggah Ladrang 'Surèngrana' sléndro manyur.’ Part of a performance on one of the gamelan sets of Mangkunegaran palace in Surakarta; the recordist focussed on the gendèr panerus part, played by Pak Turus. The recording was made in September 1990 in Central Java, Indonesia and is part of the David Hughes Collection.
British Library shelfmark: C1450/17/S1/C2
Civil partners Lyn and Mary discuss the future of their relationship. The recording was made as part of the Listening Project for the BBC in November 2012 © BBC.
British Library shelfmark: C1500/0257
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Truth with Vanessa Kisuule
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Vanessa Kisuule’s poem Hollow went viral in the days after a statue of slave-trader Edward Colston was toppled into Bristol Harbour by protesters in 2020. At the time she was Poet Laureate of Bristol (2018-2020) and has also been the official poet for Glastonbury festival. She has published two collections and won more than ten poetry slam titles.
Recordings in the episode in order of appearance:
Vanessa Kisuule performing her poem 'Hollow' as originally released on Twitter.
Link: https://twitter.com/Vanessa_Kisuule/status/1270011146544783361
Indigo Williams on the importance of poetry as a tool to process emotions and stay 'mentally healthy' – with excerpts from her poem 'The Organist', recorded in 2014 by Hannah Silva in the British Library recording studio.
British Library shelfmark: C1874/3
Lemn Sissay in performance at the National Poetry Centre, London in 1990 and digitised as part of the Unlocking our Sound Heritage (UOSH) project.
British Library shelfmark: C15/440
Anthony Joseph on the act of reading a poem out loud in order to access 'the collective language' as part of the writing process – with excerpts from his poem 'The Art of Ageing', recorded in 2014 by Hannah Silva in the British Library recording studio.
British Library shelfmark: C1874/1
David J, Vocal Pugilist, demonstrating and explaining the origins of his unique sound poetry style, recorded in 2016 by Hannah Silva in the British Library recording studio.
British Library shelfmark: C1874/15
James Berry performing 'New Reading, Like Rebellion' recorded at the 1983 Angels of Fire Poetry Festival at the Cockpit Theatre in Marylebone, London.
British Library shelfmark: C104/6
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