
#51: The Secrets of Team Safety with Julie Chickering
06/07/23 • 34 min
Gain insights into building cohesive and agile teams that bleed into each other and explore how conflicts can be transformed into opportunities for growth and improvement when Brian and his guest Julie Chickering delve into how to create team safety.
Overview:
In this episode of the "Agile Mentors" podcast, Brian sits down with Julie Chickering to explore the topic of team safety. They dive deep into the concept of psychological safety and its impact on team dynamics and productivity. From navigating conflicts and encouraging participation to embracing multiple perspectives and detaching personal worth from ideas, Brian and Julie provide valuable insights and actionable advice for Scrum Masters and team members alike. Join them as they uncover the secrets to creating a cohesive and psychologically safe environment where teams thrive and excel.
Listen Now to Discover:
[01:12] - Brian welcomes Julie Chickering back to the show. Teams need to feel safe and agile to be successful; that's a foundational aspect of a team. So, we're talking about team safety today.
[02:12] - Julie shares how one Manhattan bartender described her team that works well together; she says it feels like "we bleed into each other."
[04:11] - Sometimes people misuse or abuse the safe space, having each other's back as a license to be rude.
[04:57] - From pointing fingers to fixing problems together.
[05:39] - Julie shares a book called "The Culture Playbook" by Daniel Coyle and a quote on distinguishing between relational conflict and task conflict.
[06:38] - Protecting team dynamics: Learn how to navigate conflicts that escalate into personal territory and regain focus on improvement.
[07:37] - Effective strategies to steer discussions back to areas of agreement and keep the focus on facts.
[08:09] - Embracing multiple perspectives: Explore scenarios where opposing ideas are equally feasible and the importance of making a choice and moving forward.
[08:51] - Sometimes safety is misconstrued and used to stop discussions.
[09:17] - How to encourage participation based on comfort levels and through smaller group sharing.
[10:00] - The true meaning of safety.
[10:54] - Tension-free environments don't always lead to productive cultures: why disagreements are vital for meaningful discussions.
[11:33] - Detaching personal worth from ideas so you can focus on finding the best solution (vital as the Scrum Master).
[12:42] - How to facilitate conversations by focusing on facts and using visual aids to encourage objectively analyzing multiple ideas.
[13:00] - Nurturing sensitive team members: strategies to create a sense of safety for individuals who are more susceptible to critique to ensure them of the value of their contributions.
[14:13] - Why you should avoid labeling opinions as “wrong” and how assuming positive intent fosters a sense of safety.
[14:45] - The challenge of assuming positive intent (especially in written communication).
[15:21] - How to empower team members to define operating agreements that foster a sense of safety and a respectful working environment.
[17:23] - This podcast is sponsored by Mountain Goat Software's Certified Scrum classes, including Certified Scrum Master (CSM), Certified Scrum Product Owner (CSPO), Advanced Certified Scrum Master (ACSM), and Advanced Certified Scrum Product Owner (ACSPO). Mike Cohn taught his first Scrum classes in 1997, and since then, more than 24K people have chosen to train with Mountain Goat Software. All certified classes include a twelve-month Agile Mentors Community membership.
[18:08] - How to open communication lines when unintentional offenses occur during interactions.
[18:49] - Scrum, though a simple framework, becomes complex when people's dynamics come into play.
[19:22] - Brian shares that achieving psychological safety requires a cultural shift and agreement among team members to express opinions freely.
[20:54] - Julie shares why psychological safety matters.
[22:09] - When the swirl of uncertainty and lack of safety is removed, teams can accomplish more due to increased productivity and effectiveness.
[22:34] - Brian shares some tips for Scrum Masters to make psychological safety a focal point if it is lacking within their teams.
[23:40] - Julie discusses the importance o...
Gain insights into building cohesive and agile teams that bleed into each other and explore how conflicts can be transformed into opportunities for growth and improvement when Brian and his guest Julie Chickering delve into how to create team safety.
Overview:
In this episode of the "Agile Mentors" podcast, Brian sits down with Julie Chickering to explore the topic of team safety. They dive deep into the concept of psychological safety and its impact on team dynamics and productivity. From navigating conflicts and encouraging participation to embracing multiple perspectives and detaching personal worth from ideas, Brian and Julie provide valuable insights and actionable advice for Scrum Masters and team members alike. Join them as they uncover the secrets to creating a cohesive and psychologically safe environment where teams thrive and excel.
Listen Now to Discover:
[01:12] - Brian welcomes Julie Chickering back to the show. Teams need to feel safe and agile to be successful; that's a foundational aspect of a team. So, we're talking about team safety today.
[02:12] - Julie shares how one Manhattan bartender described her team that works well together; she says it feels like "we bleed into each other."
[04:11] - Sometimes people misuse or abuse the safe space, having each other's back as a license to be rude.
[04:57] - From pointing fingers to fixing problems together.
[05:39] - Julie shares a book called "The Culture Playbook" by Daniel Coyle and a quote on distinguishing between relational conflict and task conflict.
[06:38] - Protecting team dynamics: Learn how to navigate conflicts that escalate into personal territory and regain focus on improvement.
[07:37] - Effective strategies to steer discussions back to areas of agreement and keep the focus on facts.
[08:09] - Embracing multiple perspectives: Explore scenarios where opposing ideas are equally feasible and the importance of making a choice and moving forward.
[08:51] - Sometimes safety is misconstrued and used to stop discussions.
[09:17] - How to encourage participation based on comfort levels and through smaller group sharing.
[10:00] - The true meaning of safety.
[10:54] - Tension-free environments don't always lead to productive cultures: why disagreements are vital for meaningful discussions.
[11:33] - Detaching personal worth from ideas so you can focus on finding the best solution (vital as the Scrum Master).
[12:42] - How to facilitate conversations by focusing on facts and using visual aids to encourage objectively analyzing multiple ideas.
[13:00] - Nurturing sensitive team members: strategies to create a sense of safety for individuals who are more susceptible to critique to ensure them of the value of their contributions.
[14:13] - Why you should avoid labeling opinions as “wrong” and how assuming positive intent fosters a sense of safety.
[14:45] - The challenge of assuming positive intent (especially in written communication).
[15:21] - How to empower team members to define operating agreements that foster a sense of safety and a respectful working environment.
[17:23] - This podcast is sponsored by Mountain Goat Software's Certified Scrum classes, including Certified Scrum Master (CSM), Certified Scrum Product Owner (CSPO), Advanced Certified Scrum Master (ACSM), and Advanced Certified Scrum Product Owner (ACSPO). Mike Cohn taught his first Scrum classes in 1997, and since then, more than 24K people have chosen to train with Mountain Goat Software. All certified classes include a twelve-month Agile Mentors Community membership.
[18:08] - How to open communication lines when unintentional offenses occur during interactions.
[18:49] - Scrum, though a simple framework, becomes complex when people's dynamics come into play.
[19:22] - Brian shares that achieving psychological safety requires a cultural shift and agreement among team members to express opinions freely.
[20:54] - Julie shares why psychological safety matters.
[22:09] - When the swirl of uncertainty and lack of safety is removed, teams can accomplish more due to increased productivity and effectiveness.
[22:34] - Brian shares some tips for Scrum Masters to make psychological safety a focal point if it is lacking within their teams.
[23:40] - Julie discusses the importance o...
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#50: Choosing Your Path: Exploring the Roles of Scrum Master and Product Owner with Lance Dacy
Join Brian and his guest Lance Dacy as they explore the key differences, skill sets required, and the exciting opportunities in the roles of Scrum Master and Product Owner.
Overview
In this episode of the "Agile Mentors" podcast, Brian sits down with Lance Dacy to explore the dynamic roles of Scrum Master and Product Owner. They delve into the fundamental differences between these roles, highlighting the unique skill sets required for each.
Lance shares his valuable insights and personal experiences, shedding light on the challenges and opportunities that arise in these pivotal positions.
Whether you're considering a career in Agile or seeking to enhance your understanding of Scrum, listen in to this episode for practical advice and guidance for aspiring Scrum Masters and Product Owners and a deeper understanding of the crucial roles they play in driving successful projects and maximizing team productivity.
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[01:17] - Brian Milner has Lance Dacy on the show today to talk about a question emailed to the listener email address about the two different approaches to Scrum and which class would be a good fit for you, a Certified Scrum Master (CSM) or a Certified Scrum Product Owner (CSPO).
[02:28] - Lance shares how he looks at the two different designations and what he looks at as the centerpiece of the process of Scrum.
[03:24] - Things to consider when deciding whether the CSM or the CSPO is right for you.
[04:34] - Where to start your Scrum journey as a beginner and when taking both the CSM and the Certified Scrum Product Owner (CSPO) classes might be beneficial.
[05:28] - You don't have to be a Scrum Master to benefit from the CSM class.
[05:54] - The dual focus of the Product Owner roles and the diminishment of Scrum roles.
[06:45] - The challenge of combining these roles effectively.
[07:54] - The goal is to be agile rather than just doing Scrum-Lance shares the importance of delivering value efficiently and early. Relegating the Scrum Master to facilitation and metrics tasks yields minimal ROI.
[08:28] - Do you ever see the coach playing the game?
[09:10] - Scrum is a tool - you have to know the tools, how to apply them, and, more importantly, how to use them for the appropriate case.
[10:16] - The distinction between programmers (those who code) and developers (anyone working to produce the product) and a look back at the developer role in Scrum.
[11:34] - What confuses most people about the different classes and roles.
[12:28] - The importance (and top challenges teams face) of capacity planning, Sprint planning, and daily work management in Scrum teams. Lance shares why addressing these aspects is valuable for software and product teams, including marketing and infrastructure teams.
[13:44] - The value of certifications as a standard and an advantage in certain situations, but it's like learning to drive - experience is crucial.
[15:42] - The importance of learning the values, principles, and tools associated with Agile methodologies to engage in experimentation and gain practical experience, whether a CSM, CSPO, or CSV.
[16:25] - How active involvement in user groups and communities (such as the DFW Scrum user group) provides valuable insights and career benefits, fostering collective knowledge sharing and continuous learning in Scrum (and beyond).
[17:23] - Mountain Goat Software, the sponsor for this podcast, offers certified LIVE online Scrum classes, including Certified Scrum Master (CSM), Certified Scrum Product Owner (CSPO), Advanced Certified Scrum Master (ACSM) and Advanced Certified Scrum Product Owner (ACSPO) classes. Book more than three weeks in advance for an early bird discount of $100.
[18:38] - Lance shares the three characteristics of a great product owner.
[19:28] - Advice for what you should do if you’re starting from scratch and aiming to become a product owner to gain exposure and valuable experience in the field.
[21:28] - The likelihood of moving from Scrum Master to product owner rather than vice versa.
[22:47] - The four requirements of b...
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#52: The Birth of Agile: How 17 Adventurous Techies Changed the World with Jim Highsmith
Join Brian and Agile pioneer Jim Highsmith as they dive into the riveting saga of 17 tech rebels who defied convention, unleashed their passions, and revolutionized the world of software development.
Overview
In this episode of the "Agile Mentors" podcast, Brian sits down with Agile pioneer Jim Highsmith to share how 17 tech rebels reshaped the software landscape.
Jim shares captivating stories from his time working with NASA and Nike to the collaboration of 17 nonconformists that led to the Agile Manifesto and transformed the software industry.
Listen in for a behind-the-scenes look at the circumstances that led to the birth of Agile and how camaraderie, collaboration, and a human-centric approach sparked a wildfire of support for the Agile movement. Tune in to this episode for insights, lessons, and a glimpse into the future of Agile from an industry legend.
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[01:10] - Brian introduces Jim Highsmith, a renowned figure in the Agile community. Jim is an experienced software developer, writer, and storyteller. His latest book, "Wild West to Agile," has become a sensation in the industry, earning the top spot as a new release on Amazon. He also co-authored the Agile Manifesto and the Declaration of Interdependence for Project Leaders, co-founded the Agile Alliance, and served as the first president of the Agile Leadership Network.
[03:57] - Jim recounts his journey working on the NASA Apollo program and how the constant advancements in technology shaped the course of the Apollo project, offering valuable insights into the era's challenges and adaptability.
[08:47] - Jim shares a fascinating story from his time at Nike, where outdated requirements left a project stagnant for 18 months.
[10:34] - How waterfall methodologies left companies trapped and projects taking too long and costing too much.
[11:53] - Setting the stage for the revolutionary Agile movement.
[13:16] - A problem so painful leadership was on board to find a solution.
[14:48] - A message from our sponsor: Mountain Goat Software has courses from Certified Scrum Master Training and Scrum Certification to Certified Scrum Product Owner Training that equips you with the sought-after skills valued by top-notch teams. Visit the Mountain Goat website for all the details.
[15:40] -Jim reveals the connections and common ground that started the manifesto meeting.
[18:21] - An agenda-free meeting with 17 nonconformist experts seeking common ground and how an encounter with Steve Mellor led to an unexpected alignment of intent.
[21:01] - 17 individuals, each with nonconformist perspectives, agree.
[21:17] - Why did 17 audacious techies revolutionize the world? And what lessons can we learn from their experience for the future?
[23:39] - Where Agile's lasting impact lies and what keeps it at the forefront of change.
[24:39] - Putting aside competition for collaboration and cooperation that led to change.
[25:30] - What keeps Agile at the forefront of change? Brian shares a nugget of wisdom from Jim's book about Agilists.
[26:38] - Finally, a language that spoke to us all!—how the Agile movement shattered the notion of interchangeable cogs and embraced our humanity, sparking a wildfire of support.
[27:59] - Jim shares his thoughts on where he thinks the Agile movement is headed and why he thinks the agility of organizations and people will be a definite advantage in the future.
[29:56] - Brian mentions his high recommendation for listeners to pick up Jim’s book, Wild West to Agile: Adventures in Software Development Evolution and Revolution.
[31:38] - There are a ton of podcasts out there; thank you for taking the time to listen to this one. And don’t forget to subscribe to the “Agile Mentors” Podcast on Apple Podcasts so you never miss an episode.
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