
PM Talks S1:E2: Choices
02/14/24 • 37 min
Welcome back to our monthly series, PM Talks, featuring a conversation with my good friend Patrick Rhone. In this latest episode, our conversation that spans from our shared podcasting passion and planner geekery to deeper explorations of contentment, choice, and the essence of enough. Patrick, with his unique insights and experiences, brings a fresh perspective to the familiar topics of goal setting and minimalism, while also touching on the deeply personal aspects of happiness and mental health.
Our discussion was wide-ranging, but one topic stood out prominently: Choices. This theme resonated throughout our conversation, highlighting the significant impact of intentional living and personal metrics on achieving genuine satisfaction in life.
Key Discussion Points
- Setting and pursuing personal goals with a focus on minimalism and reducing unnecessary possessions.
- The concept of "enough" and its relationship to happiness and contentment, drawing on insights from Daniel Kahneman on happiness.
- The personal journey of writing meaningful books, both as gifts and as tools for understanding and responsibility.
- The use of practical tools like a highlighter/post-it combo for organization, and how these small choices reflect deeper values and intentions.
- Addressing mental health through self-care, understanding the power of choice, and managing emotions with intention.
In wrapping up, this conversation was a deeper dive into how we define and seek happiness in our lives. Patrick's approach to living intentionally, making mindful choices, and finding contentment in "enough" offers valuable lessons for all of us. Whether it's through the planners we obsess over, the goals we set, or the way we approach our mental health, the underlying message is clear: happiness is a personal journey, influenced by our choices and actions.
Links Worth Exploring
- A conversation between Adam Grant and Daniel Kahneman
- The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin
- Post-it Flag+ Highlighter
- The Perfectionists: How Precision Engineers Created the Modern World
- Inside of You: Alan Ritchson
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.
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Welcome back to our monthly series, PM Talks, featuring a conversation with my good friend Patrick Rhone. In this latest episode, our conversation that spans from our shared podcasting passion and planner geekery to deeper explorations of contentment, choice, and the essence of enough. Patrick, with his unique insights and experiences, brings a fresh perspective to the familiar topics of goal setting and minimalism, while also touching on the deeply personal aspects of happiness and mental health.
Our discussion was wide-ranging, but one topic stood out prominently: Choices. This theme resonated throughout our conversation, highlighting the significant impact of intentional living and personal metrics on achieving genuine satisfaction in life.
Key Discussion Points
- Setting and pursuing personal goals with a focus on minimalism and reducing unnecessary possessions.
- The concept of "enough" and its relationship to happiness and contentment, drawing on insights from Daniel Kahneman on happiness.
- The personal journey of writing meaningful books, both as gifts and as tools for understanding and responsibility.
- The use of practical tools like a highlighter/post-it combo for organization, and how these small choices reflect deeper values and intentions.
- Addressing mental health through self-care, understanding the power of choice, and managing emotions with intention.
In wrapping up, this conversation was a deeper dive into how we define and seek happiness in our lives. Patrick's approach to living intentionally, making mindful choices, and finding contentment in "enough" offers valuable lessons for all of us. Whether it's through the planners we obsess over, the goals we set, or the way we approach our mental health, the underlying message is clear: happiness is a personal journey, influenced by our choices and actions.
Links Worth Exploring
- A conversation between Adam Grant and Daniel Kahneman
- The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin
- Post-it Flag+ Highlighter
- The Perfectionists: How Precision Engineers Created the Modern World
- Inside of You: Alan Ritchson
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.
Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. You can subscribe on Spotify and also on Apple Podcasts. Not using either of those to get your podcasts? Just click on this link and then paste the podcast feed into your podcast app of choice.
Thanks again for listening to A Productive Conversation. See you later.
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Previous Episode

Haris Butt Talks About AI and Productivity Enhancements
Welcome to this episode where Haris Butt, the head of product design at ClickUp, and I dive deep into the intersection of AI and productivity. In today's discussion, we explore how artificial intelligence, specifically within tools like ClickUp, is revolutionizing the way we approach tasks, manage time, and unlock creativity. Haris shares invaluable insights into the balance between technology and human input, ensuring we harness the full potential of AI without losing the essence of personal touch in productivity.
Our conversation navigates through the practical applications of AI in everyday tasks, the advancements in product design influenced by AI, and the critical role of trust and reliability in these systems. Haris's experience at ClickUp provides a unique lens on the topic, offering practical advice and thought-provoking ideas on integrating AI into our workflows to achieve efficiency and creativity.
Key Discussion Points
- Benefits and drawbacks of using AI in productivity, with a focus on time-saving tasks.
- The role of AI in product design, emphasizing the importance of trust in data and systems.
- Distinctions between generative AI and other AI forms, exploring their impact on productivity.
- Overcoming the fear of AI through understanding and trust, using AI to unlock creativity.
- Practical uses of AI tools like ChatGPT for tasks ranging from academic research to meal planning.
- The concept of "life hacks" with AI, streamlining workflows, and enhancing information retrieval.
- The introduction of ClickUp Brain, aiming to revolutionize how new and established users engage with ClickUp for increased productivity.
In closing, my discussion with Haris not only highlights the significant benefits AI brings to productivity tools but also stresses the importance of thoughtful integration to truly augment human capabilities. As we look towards the future, the potential of AI to streamline workflows, reduce friction, and free us to focus on high-value tasks is immense. Haris's insights remind us that the journey towards integrating AI into our daily lives is one of balance, trust, and continuous learning.
Links Worth Exploring
- ClickUp Brain: Check it out
- Related Conversation: Episode 505: Matt Martin Talks About AI-Enhanced Productivity and Time Management
- Related Blog Post: What the #%$! Happened to Lifehacker?
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.
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Next Episode

Haemin Sunim Talks About Zen Wisdom for Life's Challenges
Welcome to this thought-provoking episode where I have the pleasure of speaking with Haemin Sunim, a Zen Buddhist teacher and celebrated author. Today, we delve into his latest book, When Things Don't Go Your Way: Zen Wisdom for Difficult Times, exploring the nuanced perspectives it offers on navigating the turbulent waters of life through the calming lens of Zen Buddhism. Haemin's unique writing style, which beautifully weaves together personal insights with quotes from various sources, makes the profound teachings of Zen accessible to all.
Haemin is one of the most influential Zen Buddhist teachers and writers in South Korea, where his books have sold more than three million copies and are popular as guides not only to mediation but also to overcoming the challenges of everyday life. Born in South Korea, he came to the United States to study film, only to find himself pulled into the spiritual life. Educated at UC Berkeley, Harvard, and Princeton, he received formal monastic training in Korea and taught Buddhism at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts. He lives in Seoul when not traveling to share his teachings.
Our conversation covers a wide range of topics, from the therapeutic power of journaling to the subtle differences between contentment and happiness. Haemin shares his personal journey of facing fears head-on and finding peace in the present moment. His insights are not just philosophical musings but practical advice that can be seamlessly integrated into daily life. Through our dialogue, we uncover the layers of wisdom hidden in everyday experiences and discuss how to embrace life's imperfections gracefully.
Key Discussion Points
- The importance of talking to one's fears to understand and overcome them.
- Differentiating contentment from happiness: finding peace in acceptance.
- The therapeutic benefits of journaling for uncovering and facing fears.
- Embracing the present moment to find joy in everyday experiences.
- The distinction between a "doing-centered" life and a "being-centered" life.
- The significance of self-worth and appreciating the inherent value of life.
- Facing and accepting uncomfortable emotions for personal growth and insight.
My conversation with Haemin Sunim offers a refreshing perspective on life's challenges and the pursuit of happiness. His wisdom encourages us to slow down, appreciate the present, and find contentment in the simplicity of being. Whether you're facing difficult times or simply seeking a deeper understanding of yourself and the world around you, Haemin's insights provide a valuable guide for navigating life with grace and mindfulness.
Links Worth Exploring
- Connect with Haemin: Website | X/Twitter | Instagram
- Get Haemin's book: When Things Don't Go Your Way: Zen Wisdom for Difficult Times
- Check out Haemin's body of work: Author Page
- Related Conversation: Episode 138: Zen and The Art of Work with Kourosh Dini
- Related Blog Post: How to Take a “Time Tour”
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.
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