
Michael Diettrich-Chastain talks about CHANGES
02/16/22 • 45 min
Change is never easy. And it's constant.
It's one of the things that we can rely on... even if we can't rely on what it might hold for us.
That's why you're seeing the phrase "change management" so much more than ever before. You can't really lead change; you can only manage it.
Or can you lead it?
That's what Michael Diettrich-Chastain and I talk about during this episode of A Productive Conversation.
Michael is a bestselling author, leadership coach, facilitator and professional speaker. Michael and his team are passionate about helping organizations, leaders and teams become experts on change management, communication and emotional intelligence. So he knows a thing or to about not just managing change... but leading it to where you get the best outcome possible.
We talked about certainty and uncertainty and how the acronym he uses (CHANGES) can help organizations and their personnel deal with both. There's a lot more that we get into surrounding the concept of change and I believe after listening to this conversation, you might just change your mind about how change can be handled to work for you more often than not.
Show Notes
- Connect with Michael: Website | Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn
- Michael's Book: CHANGES
- The CHANGES Cards: Get a deck here
- Related Conversation: Episode 232 of A Productive Conversation
- Related Blog Post: Change for Change's Sake
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Change is never easy. And it's constant.
It's one of the things that we can rely on... even if we can't rely on what it might hold for us.
That's why you're seeing the phrase "change management" so much more than ever before. You can't really lead change; you can only manage it.
Or can you lead it?
That's what Michael Diettrich-Chastain and I talk about during this episode of A Productive Conversation.
Michael is a bestselling author, leadership coach, facilitator and professional speaker. Michael and his team are passionate about helping organizations, leaders and teams become experts on change management, communication and emotional intelligence. So he knows a thing or to about not just managing change... but leading it to where you get the best outcome possible.
We talked about certainty and uncertainty and how the acronym he uses (CHANGES) can help organizations and their personnel deal with both. There's a lot more that we get into surrounding the concept of change and I believe after listening to this conversation, you might just change your mind about how change can be handled to work for you more often than not.
Show Notes
- Connect with Michael: Website | Twitter | Instagram | LinkedIn
- Michael's Book: CHANGES
- The CHANGES Cards: Get a deck here
- Related Conversation: Episode 232 of A Productive Conversation
- Related Blog Post: Change for Change's Sake
Thanks to all of the sponsors of this episode. You can find all of the sponsors you heard me mention on this episode on our Podcast Sponsors page.
Want to support the podcast? Beyond checking out our sponsors, you can subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Click on any of the links below to make that happen.
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Luke Burgis talks about Wanting, Journaling, and Fulfillment
As the author of "Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life," Luke has spent plenty of time and energy researching the power of desire. I absolutely loved getting into the book and wanted to spend some time getting into the nuts and bolts with Luke about why "wanting" has so much power... and what to do with that power.
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I trust you'll learn a lot, too.
Show Notes
- Connect with Luke: Website | Twitter | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn
- Luke's Book: Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life
- Luke and I both use the Monk Manual: Get 10% off one here with the code TIMECRAFTING
- I also use this journaling app: Reflection
- Luke chatting with Ryan Holiday: The Daily Stoic Podcast
- Related Conversation: Episode 189 of A Productive Conversation
- Related Blog Post: The Priority
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My guest on this episode is my friend Justin Jackson. I wanted to revisit this conversation from April 2017, so I pulled it from the vault to share it with you once again.
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On this episode, we discussed the processes of making and/or modifying. We spent time going over his systems and approaches in the different initiatives and creations he is working on.
Relevant Links:
- Connect with Justin: Website | Twitter | YouTube | Instagram
- Looking for a podcast hosting solution? Check out Transistor.fm
- Justin's Email Newsletter: (It's Self-Titled)
- Justin is also on Twitch: Right Here
- Related Conversation: Episode 290: Creative Menopause with Chase Reeves
- Related Blog Post: The Hard Stuff
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