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2debate - 2d07 - Should homeopathy be considered like any other medicine?

2d07 - Should homeopathy be considered like any other medicine?

01/30/17 • 17 min

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Important: Neither Dirk nor Sebastian are trained medical professionals. Please do not take our debate as advice on the matter. If you don’t feel well, go and see a doctor!

Homeopathy – debating the impossible?

When Sebastian and I brainstormed about this show we agreed from the onset that it’s most interesting moments will likely be whenever we’re forced into a position contrary to our own on a subject where we formed a strong opinion already. This theory sounded great and we put it to the test in the current debate on homeopathy.

Sebastian and I both think of homeopathy as basically “a known scam” (watch this short video if you wonder why) and so this debate was not about the scientific value or the general ideas behind this form of treatment. Instead we debated if it has its place even if we disagree with its core assumptions. After all – there are plenty of other treatments that we generally accept (acupuncture, chiropractics, osteopathy, traditional Chinese medicine, herbal medicine, ...) – why should homeopathy be any different?

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Visiting Past Episodes

Our debates stick with us. So this section will likely become a standing segment in our newsletter as we keep stumbling into interesting articles or podcasts that somehow relate to one of our past debates. Hope you’ll enjoy these as much as we do!

2d06 – Let’s ban election polls!

  • We live in a sea of data and obviously data keeps also shaping our political decisions. If you’re interested in US politics, there is a great analytical website. FiveThirtyEight combines political analysis and data and they do have their own podcast as well.
  • Related to 2d06 I especially recommend to listen to this episode of the FiveThirtyEight podcast because it explains some of the polling quirks that we touched on as well.

What else happened? Plenty. We changed the website layout (did you notice?). Episodes are now presented as a list and not as tiles anymore. And we activated comments in the blog (yes, we really like to hear from you!). Finally we added Pinterest and reddit to the list of our social media outlets. Especially Pinterest is interesting as we will keep curating additional materials there.

Also we finally (drumroll!) fixed the annoying bug that some of you kept seeing in our voting system.

And then we were really proud about this recent feedback on iTunes:

Wow! Thank you so much, Cole!

And to all of you, dear listeners: Please keep your feedback coming! Recommend us to your friends, write us or help us getting up the iTunes food chain by leaving a review there. It really helps and means a lot to us.

Cheers!
Dirk & Sebastian

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Episode Transcript

Dirk – Welcome, dear listeners, this is Dirk, one of your hosts to 2debate.net. Before we start with our real debate, allow me a little disclaimer upfront. Neither Sebastian nor I are trained medical professionals. Neither Seb...

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Important: Neither Dirk nor Sebastian are trained medical professionals. Please do not take our debate as advice on the matter. If you don’t feel well, go and see a doctor!

Homeopathy – debating the impossible?

When Sebastian and I brainstormed about this show we agreed from the onset that it’s most interesting moments will likely be whenever we’re forced into a position contrary to our own on a subject where we formed a strong opinion already. This theory sounded great and we put it to the test in the current debate on homeopathy.

Sebastian and I both think of homeopathy as basically “a known scam” (watch this short video if you wonder why) and so this debate was not about the scientific value or the general ideas behind this form of treatment. Instead we debated if it has its place even if we disagree with its core assumptions. After all – there are plenty of other treatments that we generally accept (acupuncture, chiropractics, osteopathy, traditional Chinese medicine, herbal medicine, ...) – why should homeopathy be any different?

More resources for 2d07

Visiting Past Episodes

Our debates stick with us. So this section will likely become a standing segment in our newsletter as we keep stumbling into interesting articles or podcasts that somehow relate to one of our past debates. Hope you’ll enjoy these as much as we do!

2d06 – Let’s ban election polls!

  • We live in a sea of data and obviously data keeps also shaping our political decisions. If you’re interested in US politics, there is a great analytical website. FiveThirtyEight combines political analysis and data and they do have their own podcast as well.
  • Related to 2d06 I especially recommend to listen to this episode of the FiveThirtyEight podcast because it explains some of the polling quirks that we touched on as well.

What else happened? Plenty. We changed the website layout (did you notice?). Episodes are now presented as a list and not as tiles anymore. And we activated comments in the blog (yes, we really like to hear from you!). Finally we added Pinterest and reddit to the list of our social media outlets. Especially Pinterest is interesting as we will keep curating additional materials there.

Also we finally (drumroll!) fixed the annoying bug that some of you kept seeing in our voting system.

And then we were really proud about this recent feedback on iTunes:

Wow! Thank you so much, Cole!

And to all of you, dear listeners: Please keep your feedback coming! Recommend us to your friends, write us or help us getting up the iTunes food chain by leaving a review there. It really helps and means a lot to us.

Cheers!
Dirk & Sebastian

Image Source: CC0, Pixabay

Episode Transcript

Dirk – Welcome, dear listeners, this is Dirk, one of your hosts to 2debate.net. Before we start with our real debate, allow me a little disclaimer upfront. Neither Sebastian nor I are trained medical professionals. Neither Seb...

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2d06 - Let's ban election polls!

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BREXIT and the US election are only two examples of many where election polls published earlier seem to have gotten it wrong. Some even argue that election polls may even distort elections at large and deflect from real issues. Today Sebastian and Dirk debate whether we should therefore go ahead and ban election polls all together.

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Sebastian – Hello everyone! Welcome to the latest edition of 2debate.net, our podcast of debates. I’m Sebastian and my co-host is Dirk. How are you today, Dirk?

Dirk – As usual, I’m ready, I’m prepared, I’m out of words, I’m in a good mood and I can’t wait. Are you more prepared than usual? So I hope you learned your numbers.

Sebastian – Well, we’ll see, we’ll see! We’ll debate today on the following question, on the motion which is: “elections... election polls should be banned”. Maybe not elections themselves! Although that’s another topic, considering the results of some elections but ok, Dirk, you have the pleasure of starting this debate today as we have flipped the coin towards that, defending the case against the motion, which is again election polls should be banned.

Voice – OK let’s do this. Dirk goes first and argues against the motion.

Dirk – And there we are. Another election, weeks and weeks of reporting on numbers, and we all love that, right? And then bam! A result that we all believe has been predicted wrongly and this wasn’t the first time. Actually there were plenty. It looks like if you research it, it’s as if almost every single election is a surprise to the pollsters. So let’s ban polls, right? They are altogether totally useless and, well, they screw the process and they lead away from actual topics. Wrong! I would start start by killing a myth. Actually, the polls haven’t been wrong, not even in the US election. Actually, the polls predicted a very short race. And polls are statistics, so there’s a margin of error. The margin of error can go either side and if you have multi millions of people, yes then the potential margin of error are a couple of million votes in the end. So that’s not a surprise. On the other hand, having proper data is important for the electorate, so everyone should have every data point possible to know what is on the agenda, what is important right now, what are the issues being debated, which candidate is up front, so it allows you to actually make an informed and data-driven decision. Next thing, if there is data like polls, it’s the right of the voters to learn that. It’s a freedom of expression, freedom of speech, it’s close to actually closing down an open communication if you just ban polls and data around elections altogether, just because you don’t like the result of it.

Voice – And now on to Sebastian. let’s hear his argument for the motion.

Sebastian – The election polls, it turns out, they’re perceived by people and by the press as being wrong over the past year. There was the elections in the UK earlier in the year in 2016, there was the election of Trump, there was Brexit. In every single case, they were perceived as wrong, irrespective of margins of errors by the way. Additionally, there is bias. It is not only about being wrong or right, it actually introduces bias and if you read a book like “Thinking Fast and Slow”, you will see also a number of biases and among them, there is this mechanism of “anchoring”: so if you know that a candidate is at a specific level, you may actually think well, you might as well vote for him or not, or you might not even show up because anyway there will be people going out there to vote, and it will seem that it’s a foregone conclusion. So there’s a risk of influencing elections in a way that is detrimental to the democracy by just letting people in it not being biased by what may or may not happen. And finally, it’s already the case in many countries that these election polls are being banned, from a few hours to a few days, even a few weeks, before the elections over time. And we’re not talking about some random countries. It’s the case in France: it used to be two weeks before the elections, it is now two days. There was a recent survey and it looked at 78 countries and I believe about 39 of them, half of them, actually had polls being banned right before the elections, precisely to avoid this bias. So my case here is that they’re wrong, irrespective of margin of error, or at least they’re perceived wrong. There’s a strong bias which is detrimental to the elections and peopl...

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2d08 - Should Turkey be part of the EU?

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In 1987 Turkey officially applied to become a member of the European Union and has been in the process to join the union ever since. Turkey is already closely affiliated in a number of related agreements and is an important economical partner. Yet, there is still a lot of work to do before Turkey is on the same level of regulation and standard as many European countries. In this debate Sebastian argues for Turkey joining the EU and Dirk takes a stand against that idea.

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Dirk – Welcome everyone! Welcome to our latest edition of 2debate.net, our podcast of debates. I am Dirk and my co-host is Sebastian. Hi Sebastian, how are you doing?

Sebastian – Well I’m doing okay, I’m jetlagged actually because I just landed in Jakarta, Indonesia last night, so we’re again recording this at distance.

Dirk – So you’re jetlagged this time, I was jetlagged last time. Let’s try to be equally leveled. I get a chance at last. We will today debate the following motion: should Turkey be part of the EU? Today Sebastian’s going to argument for the motion, that is Turkey being part of the EU. And I’m going to have the pleasure to argue against the motion. Also, by the flip of a flip of a coin we decided that Sebastian goes first. Is that about right, Sebastian? I think I summed it up properly, right?

Sebastian – Yes that’s correct, that’s correct.

Dirk – Perfect! And today we are going to have a heated debate, I think, because it’s going about politics, right, the politics always stir emotions in us.

Sebastian – I think we have emotions regardless of the topic, Dirk. Whether it’s politics, technology, business.

Dirk – OK, let’s shift that. We are debating now if we have emotions. Okay, should we have emotions? Should we have emotions? Is that a good idea? Who is for? Who is against? No, no! So Turkey should be part of the EU. Sebastian for, Dirk against. Sebastian, first. Are you ready, Sebastian?

Sebastian – I am totally ready to start with my little speech.

Dirk – You’re practically born ready, right?

Sebastian – I’m completely born ready.

Voice – OK, let’s do this! Sebastian goes first and argues for the motion.

Sebastian – Karşılama, Dirk. This is Turkish for welcome, Dirk. Because Turkey should be part of the EU and I have many arguments in favour. The first one of which is: the EU is mostly about trade anyway. I wish it was more than trade, honestly, but it’s an economic union before anything else. And Turkey is a dynamic and big market. 75 million people, so having free trade with Turkey would be fantastic. 50% of Turkish exports go to the EU and Turkey is the seventh largest market for the EU. So clearly, for me, the main argument is from an economy standpoint: it makes a lot of sense. We can talk about immigration as well considering that Turkey is very young and the rest of Europe is aging. We’re getting old, Dirk, and I think we need to think about the future and the economy, for positive results on the economy – and we can refer back to another debate that we had on a topic on the free flow of movement, the free flow of people and trade. Another argument is, and that’s slightly connected to the previous one, by making the EU bigger, you make the EU have more influence on world politics. It’s a mechanical thing: the bigger it is, especially since we’ve lost the UK, well, you might as well take another one in the mix. And Turkey is a big one so let’s have a nation which will help influence not only world politics but also regional politics. As we know, Turkey is very influential in the Middle East, for good or for worse, but this is a good way to align ourselves on our policies towards the Middle East. And finally, I want to go back on the energy, on the economy aspect: I was saying energy because this is what I had in mind, I forgot this aspect. We can’t rely on Russia anymore. Russia is being too... maybe too difficult to deal with and we need new energy corridors. Turkey offers that opportunity for Europe so we have to be practical on this economy aspect. And that’s it for my little two minutes.

Dirk – Well spoken!

Voice – Now it’s Dirk’s turn. Let’s hear his arguments against the motion.

Dirk – So in your book, Turkey and the EU expansion is mostly about the markets. And I agree, that is an important part of it. Also, I would say it is about values and sh...

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