Undermine

Under the Scales is proud to preview a full episode from Osiris' newest podcast, The Tapes Archive. This one features an interview with Trey Anastasio from 1993 -- a key moment in Phish's growth and transition to a national act.

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This is the final Under the Scales episode! We are merging with two other Phish podcasts to form Undermine, a new weekly podcast starting in February 2021.

In this episode, friend and Osiris colleague Mike Finoia joins Tom to discuss the song Two Versions of Me, a Phish song written in 2003.

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Special Thanks to Mark Dowd - original Producer for Under the Scales, photo artist AND designer of the famous Under the Scales logos over the years.

Thanks to Anna Marshall who sang on both Under the Scales intro-jingles AND was a great guest.

Thanks to Nick Cejas for somehow always getting Under the Scales to bubble up to the top of the Osiris Media social feeds.

Thanks to Christina Collins for exemplary sponsorship and advertising work for Under the Scales.

Thanks to Adam and Kirsten and the Osiris team for overwhelming support and encouragement.

Thanks interns Sammy and Matt for all your hard work!

Thanks to Matt Dwyer for helping me out of tough audio fixes now and again.

Thanks to Jesse Lauter for REALLY saving my bacon TWICE with completely broken interview audio that somehow you magically fixed!

Thanks to Tebo for being there always.

Thanks to Scott Herman for finding the right words.

Thanks to Scott Gray for keeping the dream alive.

Thanks Trey for the music and mystery!

Thanks Beth Rowles on the Phish team for so much help and support.

Thanks Patrick and Jason at Red Light for endless and tireless assistance.

Thanks to my amazing Reefers!

Thanks to my faithful longtime listeners!

Thanks to my brand new listeners and everyone in-between!

Thanks to all the amazing guests who appeared on Under the Scales!

Thanks to RJ Bee for saying “yes, and…” — plus, literally everything else.

Hugs to my family for dealing with living in the same house as a podcaster…it’s not always easy!

It’s been a great ride!

Love, from Tom

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In this episode, we keep moving through 1992 and look at one of the most notable shows of the early years—7/25/92, which has an incredible guest appearance by Carlos Santana and his percussionists.

Our guest for this episode is Shelly Culbertson, who worked with former manager John Paluska and Dionysian Productions. Shelly was involved with the early online Phish community, and was the driving force behind Phish Tickets By Mail (PTBM). We talk with Shelly about the growth Phish experienced in these years, and how this tour opening for Santana poured more fuel on the fire for the band’s growth. The Santana sit-in on You Enjoy Myself is must-hear, but the whole set is essential early Phish.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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