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Only when we investigate can we understand. Incidents while driving for work can have fatal or life-changing results, so we need to investigate to find ways to stop incidents repeating. Here’s what’s needed for an effective investigation.

01:58 About Gill Milner, RTC investigator

02:55 Gill offers a definition of an RTC

03:40 Why start your investigation in the Golden Hour

04:45 The five stages of the investigation

05:37 How to debrief a driver

07:35 How the driver may have added to the causes

09:18 How the job design may have added to the causes

11:20 How the organisation may have added to the causes

12:12 Build a timeline for the incident

14:04 What to do when a serious incident happens

16:34 Investigation complete, what are the safety learnings?

You may be interested in:

Transport Research Laboratory publication: MIS058 Study on good practices for reducing road safety risks caused by road user distractions

TRL publication: Smartphone use while driving: a simulator study

TRL publication: Investigating driver distraction: the effects of video and static advertising

TRL publication: Drivers attitudes to distraction and other motorists’ behaviour A focus group and observational study

TRL publication: The relationship between driver fatigue and rules limiting hours of driving and work
Any practices described in this podcast shall not be assumed to be risk free. The Rail Safety and Standards Board and other participants in this recording shall not be held liable for actions taken by third-parties that lead to loss or injury. Any practices described should, specifically, not be followed in the United States of America or Canada.

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If road traffic collisions cause as many as half of the fatalities to our workforce, why aren’t they RIDDOR reportable? Fortunately, few collisions have fatal results. But that means close calls and near misses must be investigated seriously, to prevent the next incident, that may be more serious.

When a collision happens: Who is responsible? Was the driver competent? Was the vehicle safe? What policies do you have in place to answer these questions? And if the worst should happen, do you have the right cover in place to protect yourself, your drivers, and your company’s brand reputation?

00:42 About Charlotte LeMaire

01:00 About Andrew Drewary

01:44 Andrew’s view on why incidents on the road aren’t viewed in the same way as those in the workplace.

03:12 The Health and Safety Executive’s increasing interest in incidents while road driving.

04:03 Do we keep our road driving competency and skills up to date?

06:10 What rules do and perhaps should apply to all who drive for work?

07:00 Driving your own vehicle actually loads greater responsibility.

07:30 What makes a good driver?

08:14 What are the consequences of a road traffic ‘accident’?

09:25 Good drivers are made by good managers.

10:35 The precursors to a police-attended collision. Have you got the right policies in place?

11:54 Have you controlled all the risk you can control?

12:45 Why investigate incidents as well as collisions?

14:52 Road risk is a serious matter. Are your investigations up to scratch and objective?

16:32 The consequences of the four-line investigation report.

18:29 The benefits of outsourcing investigations. Protecting the brand.

19:47 Do your company and your drivers have immediate legal representation?

21:28 What are you drivers legally required to do at the scene of a police-attended collision?

22:41 Why have processes to give your drivers legal advice, and the knock-on benefits.

23:52 The differences between 24/7 legal roadside assistance and a 24/7 insurance reporting line.

26:35 How legal privilege helps and protects drivers and companies.

30:55 Summary and close

These may also be of interest:

Our podcast on the HSE guidance on Driving and riding safely for work

The HSE guidance on Driving and riding safely for work

The Road Risk Group webinar with Andrew’s videos of driving that leads to a collision:

Fair culture work on RSSB website:

Supporting a fair culture - creating appropriate plans after incidents (research project)

Supporting a Fair Culture: Creating Appropriate Plans After Incidents

Developing a Fair Culture (RSSB training course)

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One of the railway’s aims is to deliver better customer service. Much of the operating timetable is set many months in advance. But there is also a need to make very-short-term plans (VSTP) for train paths. Sometimes just hours in the future.

PathFinder aims to be an end-to-end solution for VSTP that can design, deliver, approve, and resource a new train path. In far less time than is currently possible. This IT solution has been developed by Worldline and Alstom, and trialled with South Western Railway and the Network Rail Wessex Route.

01:56 Marcus Carmichael describes how RSSB sees the performance challenge for the GB railway and the need for better VSTP.

04:05 Chris Prior and the role of the Train Running Controller.

05:38 James Hilder talks through the train planning process and timescales

06:57 The impact of lots of VSTP requests on network performance

08:33 How a completed VSTP is implemented

09:28 About Doug Short and PathFinder

12:56 Integration with stock and crew resource systems

13:55 Fully integrated workflow and approval stages

15:47 How far advanced is PathFinder and what gaps are there?

18:18 South Western Railway’s assessment of PathFinder

21:26 How RSSB R&D contributes to greater network performance.

23:15 Close

These may be of interest:

Podcast episode 29: More Efficient Rail Freight – Path Planner

RSSB seeks innovative solutions to performance challenge (news article)

Pathfinder (I01-CLR-05): Applying machine learning from historical events and the current state of the railway to generate and validate new Very Short-Term Planning (VSTP) train schedules, and to amend existing ones.

Dynamic Freight Capacity Management [PathPlanner] (I01-CLR-04): Identification of unused train paths for use by freight services as part of the Very-Short-Term Planning (VSTP) system.

Assisted VSTP (I01-CLR-06): Enabling electronic Very Short-Term Planning (VSTP) requests, to improve efficiency and streamline communication.

PERFORM Research Programme—Launch Conference

Improving PERFORMance Webinar Series:

Blog: Can Machine Learning Improve Railway Operational Performance?

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Learning from... previous experience is vital. But unless we keep and communicate what we learn, the memory is lost. As Right Track magazine celebrates its 10th anniversary, we look at why and what it delivers for those who work at the front line on the railway.

00:48 Why Right Track was created

01:25 How Right Track set out to stand out from the crowd

02:23 Some of the ‘firsts’ that Right Track brought to safety learning

03:26 The trends that Right Track has followed... and the issues it tackles

04:44 How Right Track will continue to keep itself relevant and broad-based

06:13 How Right Track sits alongside and supports Leading Health and Safety on Britain’s Railway

07:05 Summary and close

Give us your thoughts and ideas—on this or any other episode:

You may also be interested in:

Podcast episode 38: Learning from...the Potters Bar accident

Podcast episode 30: Learning from...the Clapham accident

Greg’s blog for Right Track issue 38

Greg’s blog for Right Track issue 36

Greg’s blog for Right Track issue 35

Ali Chegini’s blog ‘Remembering Great Heck, 20 years on

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We can learn a lot from accidents. As we try to avoid history repeating itself, Greg Morse looks back at the Potters Bar accident of 20 years ago. What went wrong? What have we learned?

00:36 What happened at Potters Bar.

02:28 The errors that led to the accident

04:19 The blurred edges of maintenance programmes

05:38 How we now respond to safety reports, including from the public

08:08 Summary and close

You may find these of interest:

Learning from... - the Clapham accident podcast

Managing Safety Related Reports from Members of the Public

Understanding current practice for identifying and managing safety-related reports from members of the public (Research project: OTH-SRC)

The Asset Integrity Group

Rolling Stock Asset Integrity (RSSB members and affiliates only)

Infrastructure Asset Integrity (RSSB members and affiliates only)

Red 62 - Asset Integrity (RSSB members and affiliates only)

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Assets are everywhere. They are the things, physical and digital, that make up the systems we work with. When they work as designed and planned, to meet their objectives, the people who manage them go un-noticed. But these are the people who keep the risk of using them as low as reasonably practicable.
00:56 Chris Knowles, an introduction

02:07 Asset integrity and why it’s important

03:42 The whole lifecycle of asset management

06:54 The asset management is needed to keep risks as low as reasonably practicable

07:58 The criticality of system design

09:01 Asset decisions beyond safety

12:05 What’s coming up in this asset integrity series

14:13 Summary and close
You may also be interested in:
When Software Goes Wrong podcasts:

When Software Goes Wrong - Digital Asset Integrity on the Railway – blog from the first in that podcast series, with links to other blogs and resources:

The Asset Integrity Group’s web page:

Rolling Stock Asset Integrity web page:

Infrastructure Asset Integrity web page:

Red 62 video – Asset Integrity (RSSB members and Affiliates only):

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