Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole

How much should we care?

In this final season episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores the overwhelm and grief that can come with climate action. But conversely, if we truly understand the destruction that is taking place, why do we continue with business as usual? Are many of us living in denial? We hear from poet-songwriter Patti Smith about what she learned from the Dalai Lama. Writer Jonathan Safran Foer discusses the emphatic leap required; and film-maker Joshua Oppenheimer shares what he learnt about cognitive dissonance when filming The Act of Killing, and the stories we tell ourselves to justify our actions. Lily also speaks with climate activist and lawmaker Farhana Yamin about her journey to and through eco-grief, and psychologist Julia Samuels discusses her clinical experience of eco-grief and anxiety, and tools we might use to lesson overwhelm. Finally, Wade Davis offers wisdom from Tibet.

You can find out more about Farhana Yamin and Jonathan Safran Foer, as well as many of the themes explored in this episode, in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.

Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH

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With thanks to the How to Academy for allowing us the use of the interview with Jonathan Safran Foer. How to Academy have their own weekly podcast featuring some of the world's leading thinkers - available to stream from How To Academy dot com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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And thanks to Yeti Television for allowing us the use of the interview with Patti Smith, as well as to Liz Friend, the Producer and Director of the interview.

Please find a reading list and more information from our featured guests:

Jonathan Safran Foer: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/310/310101/we-are-the-weather/9780241984918.html

Joshua Oppenheimer: https://shop.bfi.org.uk/joshua-oppenheimer-12-early-works.html

Julia Samuels: https://www.waterstones.com/book/this-too-shall-pass/julia-samuel/9780241348864

Wade Davis: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

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Is democracy under threat or should we relax and read less news?

Building on the conversation from the previous episode, Lily investigates how our public awareness is shaped by the media we consume. Lily speaks with Carole Cadwalladr - the groundbreaking investigative journalist who broke The Facebook–Cambridge Analytica scandal; as well as Alan Rusbridger, the former Guardian editor-in-chief and member of the Facebook Oversight Board. Lily also hears from Ugandan youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate on how she uses social media to draw attention to marginalised voices; and David Attenborough on the importance of television for growing environmental awareness. The episode concludes with a thought provoking conversation with historian and author Rutger Bregman about our negativity bias, and why perhaps, we should simply read less news.

With thanks to the Radio Times for giving permission to use the interview with David Attenborough, and to Hay Festival for their permission to use the interview with Rutger Bregman.

You can find out more about the themes touched on in episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.

Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr

Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH

Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM

Please find a reading list from our featured guests:

David Attenborough's new book, A Life on Our Planet:

Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30HCjCO

Audible: https://bit.ly/2FyV3g5

Carole Cadwalladr’s Ted Talk:

https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy?language=pt-br

Rutger Bregman’s latest book: Humankind: a hopeful history

https://www.waterstones.com/book/humankind/rutger-bregman/9781408898932

Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain.

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Continuing our conversations on Fatherhood this week, Lily chats to Will McDonald from the Father's Institute. They describe themselves as the 'Father's think and do tank'. Will is so insightful into the reasons why having a male influence/ figure in a child's life will not only benefit the Father- child relationship but exponentially help the Mother as well; from helping with breastfeeding, giving equal paternity rights and for their own mental health and wellbeing. A fascinating listen!

Links

http://www.fatherhoodinstitute.org/

https://academic.oup.com/jcr/article-abstract/43/4/567/2630509?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Credits

Producer: Kelsey Bennett

Audio Editor: Ryan Nile

Music by Cosmo Sheldrake

Artwork

Bethan Sherwood

Joining Lily today is climate change veteran, Dr Katharine Wilkinson and we ask, why is the fight for gender equality essential if we want to mitigate climate change?

Katharine is an author, strategist, teacher, and one of 15 “women who will save the world” according to Time magazine. She is co-founder and executive director of the All We Can Save Project, co-host of the podcast A Matter of Degrees and was the lead author on the world renowned Project Drawdown and Drawdown Review.

Useful Links

• The All We Can Save Project: https://www.allwecansave.earth
• All We Can Save anthology: https://www.allwecansave.earth/anthology
• All We Can Save Circles: https://www.allwecansave.earth/circles
• Signup for our monthly newsletter: https://www.allwecansave.earth/newsletter
• We also have a new Climate Wayfinding course: https://www.terra.do/climate-wayfinding-awcs/
• Twitter & IG: @allwecansave @drkwilkinson

Thank you to ongoing guidance and advice from She Changes Climate in this series. https://www.shechangesclimate.org/

Credits

Producer: Kelsey Bennett

Audio Editor & Designer: Kit Milsom

Music by Cosmo Sheldrake

Artwork

Bethan Sherwood

This week we look at some of the barriers to girl’s equal access to education and family planning. Joining Lily is an inspirational young activist from the UK. Outraged by the idea that one in ten girls were missing out on their education due to 'Period Poverty’, at the age of 17, Amika George started the #freePeriods Campaign. An activist, a change maker and author of 'Make it Happen', it's no surprise that she was named as one of Forbes 30 under 30 in the social impact category this year!

We also hear from Douce Namwezi N'ibmba in Central Africa who is helping educate women on family planning and making menstrual products accessible for women in East Africa through her work with Uwezo Africa.

Useful Links

Amika George: Make it Happen - https://www.waterstones.com/book/make-it-happen/amika-george/9780008377601

Douce Namwezi N'ibmba- Organisation Uwezo Africa - https://uwezoafrika.org

What If We Get It Right? hosts social impact entrepreneurs from around the globe. We’re starting conversations about how people can lead our world in a new direction and looking at where we may be getting it right. https://www.whatifwegetitright.com/

Credits

Producer: Kelsey Bennett

Audio Editor & Designer: Kit Milsom

Music by Cosmo Sheldrake

Artwork

Bethan Sherwood