Today we continue our discussion of the Oscars nominees for Best Picture: Phantom Thread and Call Me By Your Name. These are two vastly different films in how they interpret and portray love and intimate relationships. Hope you enjoy! 
Your Hosts: Afra, Ina, and Juan 
Our Guest: Daniel 
Music: Bensound.com 
1:05 -- Phantom Thread 33:12 -- Call Me By Your Name 51:54 -- The Post, Darkest Hour 1:04:00 -- Our predictions 

这一期节目我们继续聊（撕）了奥斯卡的其他几个提名电影：《霓裳魅影》(Phantom Thread),《请以你的名字呼唤我》(Call Me By Your Name )以及《华盛顿邮报》(The Post). 这期我们在纽约的妇女之友/闺蜜Daneil加入了讨论。

 《霓裳魅影》讲了一个伦敦的高定裁缝和他情人之间的纠缠。Daniel梳理了导演汤玛斯·保罗·安德森(Thomas Paul Anderson)和非常开挂的三届影帝得主丹尼尔·戴·路易斯(Daniel Day Lewis)的风格和往期作品。我们还从电影主人公病态的人格入手，撕了撕这种”偏执天才“系类型片，也讨论了主人公到底是不是一个妈宝男，以及他和女主的共生且病态的恋情。 

《请以你的名字呼唤我》讲了一段发生在1980年代北意大利小镇的同性恋情。两个男主角甜茶Timothee Chalamet和阿米·汗莫(Armie Hammer)都因为这部电影吸粉不少。亲姐粉Afra在激动之余讲了这部电影的去政治化特质。Ina和Juan分别从原著改编和其他角度讲了这部电影的独特之处。

 最后，我们聊了聊好莱坞的良心电影，《华盛顿邮报》。这部依时而制的政治电影究竟是让人觉得眼前一亮，还是其实是梅姨和汤姆汉克斯等人的”旧瓶装旧酒“呢？

Juan认为，这部电影的“伟光正”让人审美疲劳，故事情节也很无力，Afra认为这是一部大咖们用“交税般”的心态制作出的一部“责任电影”。这部电影回击了现下政府的无能和对媒体宣战的丑态，把尼克松时期的“五角大楼文件”事件梳理出来之后，让观众意识到了媒体的职责和报纸铅字背后的心血与挣扎。 谢谢大家收听我们这期的节目，下一期，我们会聊聊漫威的热门电影《黑豹》(Black Panther)！

This is our Part One of our two-part International Women’s Day Special Programming, in collaboration with our friends over at The Weirdo Podcast. 

In February, we teamed up with our friends at the Weirdo Podcast and hosted a discussion on Clubhouse, inviting our listeners to share what their ideal female character on screen would be like. The two-hour long initial conversation ballooned into over three hours, with 50+ listeners from across the world sharing their thoughts. We jotted them all down and categorized it loosely into six broad categories. Think of it as “suggestions” to the entertainment industry or all the players who are involved in making TV shows and movies, here’s the female character(s) that the audience REALLY wants to see on screen! We’re answering the million-dollar question here. 

Our two-part special centers around the six categories of female characters that we’d like to see on screen. We combed through our Clubhouse discussion notes, our own experiences as pop culture consumers, and compiled this “wishlist” from the viewpoint of an average audience (rather than that of a TV/film industry insider). Some wishes are already being fulfilled while others seem farfetched. But we hope that we can see our collective wishlist being realized: whether on the small screen or big screen, in fanfics or novel. We are manifesting this into the world, now world, let’s make it happen. 

• 2:35  Introductions and the “why” behind our two-part special 
• 7:43  We want to see more female characters from all age groups 
• 12:09 The movie Eighth Grade did a good job of portraying the struggles of that specific age groups; Chinese-language films/shows such as《少年的你》(Better Days),《过春天》(The Crossing) 以及《隐秘的角落》(Bad Kids) also do a good job of showing the challenges and traumas of youth
• 24:37  We want to see real female characters across age groups for two reasons: one is what they REALLY look like (physicality) and the REAL challenges they are facing
• 30:34 We want to see more female friendship on screen
• 38:26 We want to see female characters with real bodies 

Please give it a listen, share your thoughts with us on Twitter (and all other platforms), and stay tuned for Part Two!

Special thanks to The Weirdo Podcast’s editor: 

【Editor】方改则 Gaize Fang

【Music】Intro: Drop Point - Bryan Teo; Outro：Hold on a Sec - Bryan Teoh

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In this episode, Diaodiao and Afra talk about their latest obsessions — dance competitions! 

We are talking about Youku’s electrifying reality dance show "The Street Dance of China", and HBO Max's vogue ballroom dance competition "Legendary" with a special guest: Bazi, who is the father of House of Kawakubo, the first vogue ballroom family in China. 

Bazi talks us through the dance genre known as voguing and why it's as much of a community as an art form. We compare the representations of female and LGBT dancers on the two shows, unpack our own experiences in the dance community, and explain why both of the shows celebrate a subversive culture but fail to be subversive themselves.

If you haven't watched either of the shows, don't worry, you can still enjoy this episode!  

"Street Dance of China" Season 3 aired on July 18, 2020 and very soon became one of the most popular reality shows in post-pandemic China. The show features four celebrities who are known as "Captains." The captains pick their own team from a group of insanely talented dancers and battle the other teams for the final championship. 

 "Legendary"  brings together eight ballroom houses to compete for a cash prize of $100,000. The show refuses to handhold its audience through the rich traditions, history and terminology of ballroom culture.

Street Dance of China Season 3 is on the air, why is it still popular?

HBO Max’s Legendary gives the ballroom community a deliriously fun twirl into the spotlight

E410.「人妖」李二毛的一生 故事fm 

VOGUING! SHANGHAI! 聚焦中国首个 Ballroom 文化平台

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This episode is about……us! Loud Murmurs has produced more than 20 episodes, and this episode introduces the creators behind the podcast. We also discussed why Disney princesses' impact on us is problematic, and how to unlearn the subtle gender implications from the pop cultural products we've been watching growing up. We also would like to thank you for all the support. In the year of the pig, we aspire to produce more and be louder. 小声喧哗先祝大家新年快乐~猪年猪事顺利！ 这期是一期（拖了很久的）节日特辑，在这期里，我们聊了迪士尼的《无敌破坏王2》筑造的IP宇宙——和这个宇宙中所能发生的超越想象的人物互动——想想《星球大战》里的Stormtroopers在迪士尼公主们的门外巡逻是不是碉堡了。另外，我们还聊了一部Netflix上的超暖心的英国美食节目：The Great British Bake Off. 在新年这个时刻，怀旧显得恰如其分。于是，从谈迪士尼的公主们开始，我们讲了许多小时候的故事：为什么动画中的迪士尼公主们是我们的启蒙者？她们的representations为我们对“女性”的理解和在这个世界的自处，营造了怎样的典范？这样的典范为什么会被文化批评者反思、抨击？“女人有野心”就会即刻被归入“邪恶后母”这一类形象？为什么90年代前的迪士尼中的女性角色如此糟糕，对当代小女孩们塑造和维护自己的agency（能动性）没有好处？ 同时，这期是对2018年做的整整20期节目的一个总结。小声喧哗已经诞生快要一年了，没想到一个标榜着“女性声音”的节目能够得到这么多人的喜爱，四位当代女性感谢大家耐心听我们的正经闲聊。猪年会有更多喧哗的好节目，来自最会聊的四位当代女性。 这期小声喧哗能在喜马拉雅, iTunes和Spotify里找到。 如果想在喜马拉雅收听，请扫图中的二维码

The ladies of Loud Murmurs watched Oceans 8 and we could not be more enthusiastic to talk about this movie with badass women leads! Hope you enjoy! 我们在这集播客里除了吹捧各位女主角之外，也反思了我们建立这个播客的源问题。电影，乃至整个娱乐业，都长期是被男性话语权主宰。电影中的女性角色往往是为亚当创造的夏娃，作为被观察、欣赏、投射价值判断的客体存在。女性观众在欣赏这些电影的时候，很难获得同样的“代入感”，和男性观众获得同样的娱乐。 《瞒天过海》打破了这个局面。这部电影是一个完全从女性视角出发的爆米花片。这些女人们是‘为了坏而坏、为了钱而抢劫’。没有报复男人、歇斯底里的老套情节，没有把女性角色放入受害者的框框里，她们才不是因为感情失意或是被人抛弃才犯罪，她们就是想做货真价值badass的女人。她们要钱、爱钱，那她们就惊天动地抢了一场。坏的不留余地，理直气壮。 希望大家听的和我们观影一样愉快！

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