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Experience by Design

Experience by Design

Adam Gamwell, Gary David

This is experience by design, a podcast that brings new perspectives to the experiences we have everyday. Does standing in line always have to suck? Why are airports so uncomfortable? What does it mean to be loyal to a brand? Why do you love being connected but dislike feeling tethered to your smart phone? Can we train people to care about the climate? Join Sociologist Gary David and Anthropologist Adam Gamwell on an expedition to the frontiers of culture and business through the lens of human experience. We're here to make sense of the madness with leading psychologists, cognitive and social scientists, entrepreneurs, and business leaders.

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Many months ago now, I had the chance to go to the WNDR Museum in Boston. If you google that, it will come categorized as a “tourist attraction.” but it is a lot more than that, especially considering that I wouldn’t classify myself as a “tourist” since I live outside of Boston. More specifically, and even importantly, WNDR is an interactive art museum with immersive art installations. And it was very interactive and immersive. There were a lot of great exhibits that invited you to engage and become surrounded by the creations that were provided there. Whether you are a tourist or not, it is definitely worth a visit.

So it was a very pleasant surprise to find that my guest today actually had an installation at the WNDR Museum. It was this very cool outdoor-type of building where you could be with others and experience an audio and visual immersion of rain and lightning. One of the fun things about it was that you were there with strangers, basically arranged in a way that you were experiencing it together.

I didn’t know that when I first met Leigh Sachwitz to discuss being on the show. But it was one of the, dare I say, “wonderful” things I found out about Leigh and her work with her Berlin-based company flora&faunavisions (FFV). I got to learn about their award-winning work on projects like the Ring Cycle, a digital opera that creates an immersive experience of the work by Richard Wagner. I also learned about her work on the Utopian Garden, described as a story-based immersive, interactive show where participants can tour the world. She described their Flying Up Sparrows event in China, where Buddhist paintings were brought to life.

Finally, she explains their work behind the Genius DaVinci Show that just opened up in Florida this past November. “This exhibition invites you to step into Renaissance Italy to explore Leonardo da Vinci’s masterpieces and inventions up close.” And the great thing about this is the way that educational and entertainment come together to form what Hip Hop artist KRS-One described as “Educatinment.” Or, in Leigh’s words, how do you create experiences that draw people into the moment and produce, empathy, emotional connection, and curiosity.

We covered a lot of other ground, including the science of immersive experiences, how we can co-create our futures together using these kinds of experiences as a prompt, how we can inspire our imaginations to unlock the possibilities of ourselves, and the intersection of Detroit and Berlin as hubs of techno music.

Leigh Sachwitz - http://leighsachwitz.com/

flora&faunavisions - https://www.florafaunavisions.de/

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Experience by Design - Engineering Customer Experiences with Michelle Spaul
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12/30/24 • 71 min

The New Year is a great time to reflect on our past, and to think about what we want to accomplish in the upcoming year. After all, it is the season of the Annual Performance Review!

Whether in our personal or professional lives, it can be hard to identify what is important in terms of our evaluations. How do we know if we are making progress toward our goals?

The same can be true for companies. What are the metrics that indicate our success? What are the expectations we are trying to meet? How do we stack up against others? What are the benchmarks that we think matter, versus the ones that actually matter?

To explore this question and more around customer experience, we welcome Michelle Spaul. Michelle is a customer experience management consultant with her company Delta Swan. Michelle has a wealth of experience in CX, with the simple goal of trying to make things better for customers. As many of you listening will know, behind that simple goal lies a complexity that can challenge most organizations. Therefore, it is a good thing that Michelle has a background in manufacturing systems engineering. We talk about how that education prepared her for working as an experience engineer.

She describes how her work on the price of oil informs her systems approach to CX. We discuss the importance of a shareholder mindset that creates value for not just customers, but all who are impacted by the business.

We explore how her first job with Phillips around preventing customer returns turned into listening to what customers said, and how that is the foundation of any CX work.

Finally, we talk about how there are a lot of different areas of feedback that we can find if we only look. And that if you get defensive about the feedback, you are missing an opportunity to grow.

Michelle Spaul LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-spaul-customerexperience/

Customer Experience Management Consultant - https://customerexperienceconsultant.co.uk/

"The Price of Oil" - https://www.amazon.com/VFUU-Price-Oil-Michelle-Spaul-ebook/dp/B01D7CTTEK

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Experience by Design - Designing an Authentic Brand with Vladimer Botsvadze
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01/12/24 • 57 min

Before, our work lives were defined by our relationship with the brands we worked for. Growing up in Detroit, a person might be a “Ford person” or a “GM person”. The same can be said for those who worked for Mary Kay or Tupperware. Through our association with the brand, we gained a sense of self that was enriched by that association.

Today, people are feeling the pressure to become their own brands. We seek not to just influence those people with whom we come into direct contact, but everyone everywhere all at once. Being an influencer is exhausting. Or at least it seems to be when looking at those who are fully engaged in it. Constantly putting content on various social media channels. Responding and replying to other people’s posts. Creating and curating a digital experience for them that communicates who you are, or better put how you want to be seen. One of the ironies in all of this is the struggle of appearing authentic when we are portraying ourselves.

Today in the Experience by Design Studio, we’re excited to welcome Vladimer Botsvadze. Vladimir is a digital marketing and social media content machine. A global digital marketing expert, he has worked with top brands and executives worldwide, guiding them to drive growth and position their brands as market leaders. As a mentor to startups and a judge at the Webby Awards, Vladimer brings a wealth of knowledge on creating business opportunities, running businesses, and leveraging social media channels to build your brand.

He’s also passionate about communication, and believes it to be the backbone of success. As we discuss in the episode, he put in years of 16 hour days dedicated to building his craft and a strong online presence across social media platforms. With this in mind, we dig in on what are the characteristics of good content, how do we create community around content. Vladimir also walks us through his marketing strategies and mindset for creating with curiosity and persistence in ways that capture attention and make lasting impact.

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When the world can feel more divided than ever - whether polarizing politics, climate change or economic uncertainty, ethnography reminds us to come back down to earth, and into the lives of people. Because the truth is, if we want to see systemic change, and address issues larger than ourselves, we actually have to start with everyday experience. And being willing to go against the grain, challenge the status quo.

Thibault Manekin has a habit of putting himself into uncomfortable situations of the extraordinary kind. In his new book Larger than Yourself, he chronicles the various moments in his life where seeking the uncomfortable was the path to not only his growth, but increased opportunities for others. At the heart of each of these stories is the rebellion against those who warn “You can’t” or tell him “No.” Hearing these phrases lets him know when he is pushing hard enough to do something truly revolutionary. If you are not struggling, what you are trying to do is probably too easy to begin with.

While perhaps laudable, such an approach can easily become misguided. Putting oneself into uncomfortable situations can easily become self-serving. Such an approach can slip into a person using others to feel growthful and even a thrill seeker. To embed the action into impact, it becomes more important to align the idea with the desires and goals of those in the setting. We have to build and make change from the inside out, getting input from the various stakeholders that exist in the space in which we are seeking to make a difference.

This means a rebalancing of power, whether it be in an organization, an institution, or a community. The first shall be last and the last shall be first. The question becomes how to make people more equal in the relationship. While a CEO and a janitor may have different roles and responsibilities, they are not unequal in their tasks. Sanitation workers, not physicians, would have curtailed the plague. Physicians could perhaps treat the symptoms. Sanitation workers could remove the causes. Thus, each has a role to play that is not any less important than the other. Ultimately each has a perspective to add and value to contribute. Organizations and leaders need to do better to make that possibility a reality.

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Experience by Design - Inspiring Racial Equity across Customer Experience
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08/29/20 • 62 min

Issues of racial equity, and institutionalized discrimination, have long been at the center of customer experience, and the right of people to be seen as customers. Today’s podcast is a recording of an event from the end of July on ‘Inspiring Racial Equity: How CX Professionals Can Guide Their Organizations to Tackle This Urgent Issue.” The event was a joint effort of the Boston and Atlanta chapters of the Customer Experience Professionals Association. There was a tremendous team of folks from both chapters who worked together to put on this event. Most of the folks involved, including me, would be considered to be ‘allies.’ By that I mean people who may not have to suffer the daily indignities of structural racism and discrimination, but see it as a malevolent force that needs to be directly confronted and addressed in whatever quarters possible. For this group, the field of engagement is the organization, and what can customer experience professionals do to change these internal dynamics, which hopefully will contribute to a broader social change.

The panelist, who include Sandy Mathis, Stephanie C. Harris, and Thomas Houston, all bring a range of professional and personal experience on this topic. Join us in learning from the panelists regarding how to help inspire racial equity in organization, and deliver better experience for diverse audience.

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It is not surprising to hear that everyone’s state of anxiety is pretty high. We are all facing a very uncertain future. Turning on the news, which I recommend doing only in moderation, it is easy to get caught up in the frightening images and metrics as the pandemic spreads. Enter digital psychiatry and e-mental health tools. Technically speaking, digital psychiatry refers to any electronic device or mechanism through which people can get information about or assistance with their mental health. And it might be the future of mental health care

But what does this mean for patients and the clinicians, as well as caregivers and healthcare professionals? Besides, does any of this stuff work? How does it impact the clinical workflow and clinical profession? And what does it mean for privacy and security?

To help answer these questions and more, we have Dr. John Torous, psychiatrist and Director of the BIDMC Digital Psychiatry Clinic. John has been engaged in this topic for some time, and is one of the leaders in the field. He also created the LAMP app, an open-source tool that clinicians and patients can use to track symptoms and onset of chronic mental illness. You can say he knows a lot about digital psychiatry.

John drops by the Experience by Design studio to talk digital psychiatry, COVID-19 responses, and the future of clinical mental health. Hope you enjoy our discussion.

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Experience by Design - Brands and the Business of Relationships with Bill Fleming
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01/29/20 • 40 min

Bill Fleming stops by to chat with Adam about branding, marketing and design. Bill is a Boston-based Independent Brand & Marketing Strategist, and Business Consultant for Designers.

On this episode we talk about what brands are, how the cultural work of branding has changed in recent decades with the advent of new and easier to use technologies, and how we can think about brands as conversations - not just between businesses and customers but also between businesses.

Billfleming.com

Bill on Twitter

Ideas and Articles we reference

https://www.commarts.com/columns/the-sensitive-anthropology-of-branding

https://raleighgreeninc.com/blog/2011/07/31/an-anthropologists-approach-to-branding/

https://lippincott.com/insight/b2b-brands-in-the-human-era/

This episode is brought to you in part by This Anthro Life, a sister podcast hosted by Adam Gamwell. Life is complicated, but we love simple answers. AI and robotics are changing the nature of work. Emojis change the way we write. Fossil Fuels were once the engine of progress, now we're in a race to change how we power the planet. We're constantly trying to save ourselves...from ourselves. This Anthro Life brings you smart conversations with humanity’s top makers and minds to make sense of it all. We dig into truth and hope in our creative potential through design, culture, and technology. Change your perspective.

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Experience by Design - Privacy that Delights with Ben Brook
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10/19/21 • 55 min

When looking at American culture, you can see how security minded it is. Home security systems. Car security systems. Gun ownership for protection. Locking your doors. It is a society that in many ways does not trust its own environment. At the same, we have in many ways given up pretending that we have digital privacy and security. News reports of security breaches, stolen passwords, hacking, and cybercrime all create the sense that resistance is futile.

Our guest today is looking to change that by making data privacy a human right. Ben Brook went to Harvard with aspirations of studying film. Soon after arriving, he turned his attention to books on the future of AI and computer science. This led to his co-creation of Transcend, a company that aims to make managing your data and privacy an easier and seamless experience.

We talk about how cleaning up someone’s data is like throwing confetti into a ceiling fan, and how Transcend helps companies and consumers clean up that mess. Transcend also helps companies be who they wish they were but helping earn their customers’ trust in how they manage customer data. Inspired by regulations like GDPR and California’s CCPA, Transcend aims to educate end-users and give them increased control over their personal data as an enjoyable experience.

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Experience by Design - Intercultural Frolicking and Design with Kiran Varri
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03/24/23 • 67 min

Designing for an international audience can provide challenges to the experience designer. If we are going to design with the cultural norms and expectations in mind, how do we handle when the number of cultures we are catering to seems to always increase? This also is a major challenge when living in a multicultural society where we have people from many different backgrounds. At least in that situation, we might have a national culture we can orient to. But what then about living in an international city, where people from all over are constantly arriving, each with their own sense of what is a “moment that matters” or what constitutes a “wow” and transformative experience?

And of course, national culture is only part of that equation. We also can think of wealth cultures, religious cultures, age cultures, gender cultures, recreation and hobby cultures, and the list goes on and on. In the face of such complexity, the impulse can either be to turn and run, or to oversimplify to the point so that all these groups are reduced to a least common denominator which serves no one in particular.

Today on Experience by Design, we are happy to welcome Kiran Varri, current CX consultant and formerly of ITC, the international luxury hotel chain. Kiran has had his own international journey. Growing up in India, he then went to university in Dallas, TX. And if that wasn’t enough culture shock, he then found himself working in Dubai. In the midst of all these travels, he has gotten to know a bit about working across cultures, and how to leverage those challenges to create vital opportunities.

In our conversation, we discuss how multicultural workgroups are the key to designing international experiences. We explore how ‘intercultural frolicking’ is vital to unlocking experience designs that resonate with audiences. We also talk about how building a common and shared culture from is like the US motto E Pluribus, Unum, or Out of Many, One. By allowing people to showcase their talents, they can find new ideas through their shared creativity. Out of this we raise the larger question, How do we foster cultures of more openness and acceptance, and not to lose our focus on the importance of being human.

This episode brought to you by EXPRESSO, the Experience Research Society.

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Experience by Design - Participatory Artistic Experiences with Will Owen
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03/14/25 • 69 min

As I’ve mentioned before, one of the great things about doing a show like this is the fascinating people I get to talk to who are coming at experience design from many different approaches, perspectives, and backgrounds. One of the groups that I perhaps enjoy talking to the most (no offense to anyone else) is artists. I’ve always admired the ability to turn imagination and passion into something that expresses one’s soul in a way that can move others. Talking to artists about their work kind of creates a sense of purity of work in terms of representing an authentic self. I don’t want to overly dramatize or prematurely canonize them. But artists can do really cool stuff that brings life and light into the world.

And it feels like every day more and more, we need some life and light brought into the world. While art changes, our need for art never changes.

My guest today is artist Will Owen. Looking at Will’s website, it lists his primary mediums as sound, sculpture, and food. That’s right. Food.

Without that is a larger preoccupation of culture and the world in which we live, seeking to represent it in ways that stimulate thought, expose us to its beauty, and contemplate its possibilities.

Growing up in Appalachia provided an opportunity to explore how to have fun and create with whatever was available. Before we had the concept of a ‘maker space,’ his childhood was a maker space in which risks could be take in the pursuit of having fun and filling time. Out of that comes a creative spark and fundamental appreciation for the natural world. He describes himself as being ‘obsessively curious’ and being promiscuous with materials, which he owes to his childhood and the collaborative explorations with his friends.

Today he is part of many different collectives around the world. He is part of the Flux Factory in New York, and has worked with artists in Russia and Taipei,

We talk about making something loud with no budget, the indelible reciprocity of making together, the porousness needed to engage with performative audiences, and his obsession with supertemporary communities. We also talk about the bus experiment, a traveling exhibit from Manhattan to Philly.

Will Owen - https://willowen.net

Flux Factory - https://www.fluxfactory.org/

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Experience by Design currently has 121 episodes available.

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The podcast is about Culture, Marketing, Entrepreneurship, Design, Podcasts, Business and Innovation.

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The episode title 'Ken Gordon and Designing Meaningful Dialogue' is the most popular.

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The average episode length on Experience by Design is 65 minutes.

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Episodes of Experience by Design are typically released every 14 days, 12 hours.

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The first episode of Experience by Design was released on Aug 2, 2018.

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